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I did this about two weeks, and the responses were interesting. A day remaining for juniors to declare for the draft, and then the Senior Bowl, combine and personal workouts where player grades will change.

However, at this time, I come up with a list of ten--yes, ten--players worthy of being selected in the top 10 picks of the draft.

By position:

QB--Matt Ryan

RB--Darren McFadden

OT--Jake Long, Ryan Clady

DE--Chris Long, Calias Campbell, Vernon Gholston

DT--Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis

DB--Kenny Phillips

And I know some will take issue with Campbell, Clady and Phillips, if not also Gholston, going in the top 10 picks.

Anyone else? I personally think Rivers is too small to go so high. The combine will prove interesting.

We better address needs on defense in free agency because the best value at number 10 may not be a defensive player.
 
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Chris Long and Rivers, though you addressed him, has been sneaking up lately in mocks. I've also seen Brohm and Jenkins get in there sometimes.
 

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I would take either Gholston (if he fell) or Rivers (having a soft spot for him), or Phillips if we want to go DB 1st.

But yeah the combine will make things interesting. There's always SOMEONE who shoots up the draft board though from the combine, due to them running a fast 40.
 
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In a minute, I am going to edit the original post. Chris Long was an obvious omission. Oversight.

My question about Rivers is size. If he weighs in the 240's and runs a great 40 time in workouts, he'll move up.
 
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I did this about two weeks, and the responses were interesting. A day remaining for juniors to declare for the draft, and then the Senior Bowl, combine and personal workouts where player grades will change.

However, at this time, I come up with a list of ten--yes, ten--players worthy of being selected in the top 10 picks of the draft.

By position:

QB--Matt Ryan

RB--Darren McFadden

OT--Jake Long, Ryan Clady

DE--Chris Long, Calias Campbell, Vernon Gholston

DT--Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis

DB--Kenny Phillips

And I know some will take issue with Campbell, Clady and Phillips, if not also Gholston, going in the top 10 picks.

Anyone else? I personally think Rivers is too small to go so high. The combine will prove interesting.

We better address needs on defense in free agency because the best value at number 10 may not be a defensive player.
Actually, I think your list is fair. The only question mark may be Campbell. It will depend on how he looks at the combine and his personal workout. But he's a borderline top 10 pick. I actually believe Clady will go top 10, perhaps to the Chiefs at #5. It might surprise some people but so did the Levi Brown pick to the Cardinals in the last draft.

Rivers is not too small and he's another guy who is a borderline top 10 pick. I think his value is more in the range of 10 to 15, but he is not that far removed from being a top ten talent. I will say this--he's a better prospect than Lawrence Timmons who went #15 last year to Pittsburgh.
 

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Oh, one other thing--Gholston is a definite top 10 talent and could go #1. If Gholston has a superior workout and runs an eye-popping 40, I can easily see him taken #1 especially since he would fit inside the 3-4 defense the Dolphins run right now.
 

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Martin (Middletown CT): Does Kansas' Aqib Talib fall to Dallas at 21 or 22? They need to add depth to the corner spot.

Mel Kiper: If you're looking for someone at the 21, 22 spot, you're not going to see Talib there. He's going to be the first CB taken in this draft. If you're looking for a CB that can also help you in the return game, and you did good with a Troy kid in Demarcus Ware, they can go back to Troy and get Leodis McKelvin. He would make sense as a guy in the 20s. Talib goes in the top 10. He's the first CB drafted.
 

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Kiper suggested the same thing. Problem I have with that is I wonder if some of these guys are being overrated because of the lack of a truly elite prospect in this draft at CB. Mike Jenkins is very good but not quite there as an elite prospect. Cason is also very good but speed is a concern. That's the same for Talib who I have watched have good games and then turnaround and have some lousy games. Every cornerback will get beaten but Talib either looks really good or really bad. He has to become more consistent for me to regard him as a top 10 pick. None of this does not mean that any of these guys cannot develop into solid CBs. Heck, they are solid now. But I do not see any of them as elite cornerbacks.

Leodis McKelvin is a very intriguing prospect and a guy I like a lot. He has tremendous speed and very solid return ability. He's explosive, is fluid and has outstanding recovery speed. I would like to see him play the ball better in the air. I only saw two of his games and I think he has to show more awareness, which by my own admission is not a lot or nearly as much as I have gotten to see of other players over the years. But he's a guy that I can actually see moving up a lot of teams boards and could very well be a surprise top 15 pick.
 

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Yes, Kiper is always right.... He's wrong far more than he's right.
Wish ESPN paid me all that money to be wrong.

Kiper suggested the same thing. Problem I have with that is I wonder if some of these guys are being overrated because of the lack of a truly elite prospect in this draft at CB. Mike Jenkins is very good but not quite there as an elite prospect. Cason is also very good but speed is a concern. That's the same for Talib who I have watched have good games and then turnaround and have some lousy games. Every cornerback will get beaten but Talib either looks really good or really bad. He has to become more consistent for me to regard him as a top 10 pick. None of this does not mean that any of these guys cannot develop into solid CBs. Heck, they are solid now. But I do not see any of them as elite cornerbacks.

Leodis McKelvin is a very intriguing prospect and a guy I like a lot. He has tremendous speed and very solid return ability. He's explosive, is fluid and has outstanding recovery speed. I would like to see him play the ball better in the air. I only saw two of his games and I think he has to show more awareness, which by my own admission is not a lot or nearly as much as I have gotten to see of other players over the years. But he's a guy that I can actually see moving up a lot of teams boards and could very well be a surprise top 15 pick.
I've also heard Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie from Tennessee State thrown out there. Don't know much about him. Anyone else know anything?
 
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Wish ESPN paid me all that money to be wrong.

I've also heard Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie from Tennessee State thrown out there. Don't know much about him. Anyone else know anything?
Rodgers-Cromartie is another intriguing prospect. He has outstanding footspeed and a long wingspan. He is fluid and also has great recovery ability though he can improve his footwork, particularly in his backpedal. He breaks on the ball very well and is just a natural athelete. The only concern I see is that he is a little thin but so was Antonio Cromartie. Also, there's always questions about level of competition. He will have to refine his technique. But that's true of any cornerback that comes into the NFL. But I think he has a lot of talent and could see him in play in the second round. But if he goes to the combine and blows people away with his speed, which he is quite capable of, he could sneak up into the first.
 
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Agreed. Campbell is a question mark. His going high will depend on a super workout and will be based in large part on potential.
 

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I want to see a couple more quarterbacks or running backs vault into the top ten, pushing some top defensive players down and making them available at #10.
 

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Yes, Kiper is always right.... He's wrong far more than he's right.
Hmm.. you piqued my curiosity on this one. I went back to last year's draft (a VERY tough draft to pick as it turned out) and found the following:

1 Oakland JaMarcus Russell QB
2 Detroit Calvin Johnson WR
3 Cleveland Joe Thomas OT
4 Tampa Bay Gaines Adams DE
5 Arizona Levi Brown OT
6 Washington LaRon Landry FS
7 Minnesota Adrian Peterson RB
8 Atlanta Jamaal Anderson DE
9 Miami Ted Ginn Jr. WR
10 Houston Amobi Okoye DT
11 San Francisco Patrick Willis ILB
12 Buffalo Marshawn Lynch RB
13 St. Louis Adam Carriker DE
14 N.Y. Jets Darrelle Revis CB
15 Pittsburgh Lawrence Timmons OLB
16 Green Bay Justin Harrell DT
17 Denver Jarvis Moss DE
18 Cincinnati Leon Hall CB
19 Tennessee Michael Griffin FS
20 N.Y. Giants Aaron Ross CB

Mel's Top 20 (* = picked in actual top 20)
*1. Calvin Johnson*, WR, Georgia Tech
*2. Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
*3. Adrian Peterson*, RB, Oklahoma
*4. JaMarcus Russell*, QB, LSU
5. Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
*6. LaRon Landry, DB, LSU
*7. Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
*8. Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
*9. Leon Hall, CB, Michigan
*10. Jamaal Anderson*, DE, Arkansas
11. Greg Olsen*, Miami, TE
*12. Patrick Willis, LB, Mississippi
*13. Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska
*14. Jarvis Moss*, DE, Florida
*15. Ted Ginn Jr.*, WR, Ohio State
*16. Marshawn Lynch*, RB, California
*17. Levi Brown, OT, Penn St.
*18. Lawrence Timmons*, LB, Florida St.
19. Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan
20. Ben Grubbs, OG, Auburn

And the four that weren't picked in the top 20 went later in the first round! To take more than 2000 draft candidates and whittle them down to 20 and nail 100% of them in the first round? How is that "more wrong than right?" Did you even check? Jeez...
 
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