Whose side are you on? [assignment edition - mod edit] (1 Viewer)

[Optimus Prime]

I'm with the student (and uses math and logic to justify the decision)

Well done

 

[efil4stnias]

sounds like someone about to work on Wall St.

im with the student on this one. Clarification is key. Words matter. Deal with it EVERY DAY. Say or write one wrong word in a sentence, and it can lead to major problem. Takes extra 5 min to make sure you say what you mean and mean what you say.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I'm with the kid - teacher should use this as a learning opportunity
and i feel the teacher will, BUT, i feel the result will be more work for/punitive response to next year's students
which is not really the lesson to learn

 

[Hoodoo]

I agree with the teacher on moral principals, with the student on application of the rule. Student needs to learn a serious life lesson about action and consequences, but it shouldn't be here.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

When i took Free Enterprise in high school, the first day, the teacher said that at the end of the semester, our Final Essay would 80% of our grade. I rarely turned in homework, most of the time i didn't put any effort in while taking tests. I don't remember what my grade was before i turned in my essay, but i passed his class with like an 86%. Easiest class i took in HS. I'm sure i wasn't the only one who saw this loop hole...

 

[Dago]

With the student on this one.

 

[efil4stnias]

Student needs to learn a serious life lesson about action and consequences, but it shouldn't be here.

Im not sure i follow this line of thinking- what "action" did the student have that would illicit "consequences" ?

He literally followed the teachers instruction regarding grading of essays. He didnt adlib or claim ambiguity in his grading scale.

If anything, the teacher just learned about consequences of not writing succinctly.

 

[Hoodoo]

Im not sure i follow this line of thinking- what "action" did the student have that would illicit "consequences" ?

He literally followed the teachers instruction regarding grading of essays. He didnt adlib or claim ambiguity in his grading scale.

If anything, the teacher just learned about consequences of not writing succinctly.

He didn't follow the intent. The teacher's intent was obviously that the student actually applies some level of effort to each project. The student is basically taking advantage of a loophole because that is not expressly spelled out. In this particular circumstance, the student is technically rightand the teacher should update his policy. However, if the student continues through life trying to find loopholes to skirt around what he knows is expected it very well could come back to bite him.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I agree with the teacher on moral principals, with the student on application of the rule. Student needs to learn a serious life lesson about action and consequences, but it shouldn't be here.

what life lesson? this is akin to a boss saying 'i need you to work 40 hours' and someone working M-Th 10 hour days and the boss saying ' i'll still need you to come in on friday
sorry boss, i did my time

 

[Hoodoo]

what life lesson? this is akin to a boss saying 'i need you to work 40 hours' and someone working M-Th 10 hour days and the boss saying ' i'll still need you to come in on friday
sorry boss, i did my time

More akin to your boss asking you to put together 5 proposals for a job bid and you putting together 4 and blatantly half-assing the 5th. Technically you didn't really need 5, but you were asked for 5 and you blew it off.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

He didn't follow the intent. The teacher's intent was obviously that the student actually applies some level of effort to each project. The student is basically taking advantage of a loophole because that is not expressly spelled out. In this particular circumstance, the student is technically rightand the teacher should update his policy. However, if the student continues through life trying to find loopholes to skirt around what he knows is expected it very well could come back to bite him.

most students don't mind work (esp when they can see/experience the result of their labor)
what they HATE is busy work - and who can blame them?
in essence the teacher has a policy that has an exemption clause (if you ace all of your tests you don't have take the final)
but now the teacher is saying that 'even though you've aced and failing a final will not effect your grade one way or the other, i need you to come in and take the exam - pointless busywork

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

More akin to your boss asking you to put together 5 proposals for a job bid and you putting together 4 and blatantly half-assing the 5th. Technically you didn't really need 5, but you were asked for 5 and you blew it off.

not akin to that at all
in you example it would be more like, you have 5 chances to get your proposals funded, but you MUST get 4 funded - if your first 4 get funded, done and done

 

[TheRealJRad]

Student. The teacher is essentially upset the student didn’t do busywork. It was getting dropped regardless, so what does it matter?

 

[Hoodoo]

The

Student. The teacher is essentially upset the student didn’t do busywork. It was getting dropped regardless, so what does it matter?

Teacher's intent is for the students to complete 5 projects and the best 4 of 5 will be chosen.

 

[CoolBrees]

The

Teacher's intent is for the students to complete 5 projects and the best 4 of 5 will be chosen.

you must not write contracts for a living.

Intent is irrelevant. How is anyone supposed to know what someone else intended? If your intent was to have 5 papers submitted of a certain quality, state that.

If you want the hot tub included with the house you bought, you gonna intend for them to give it to you through the spirit of mutual satisfaction? No, you are going to put it in the contract.

The word that matters is explicit. As in written.

The only one who is doing anything morally wrong is the professor. He is assuming intent and leaving his students to figure it out. And when one did, they got bent.

With that said the kid is not only completely correct here, they should get extra credit it for working efficiently.