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After I watched the Parker miss, I know it was partially tipped but that seems to mean he is still partially to be blamed for the kick. The old saying is that one okay doesn’t define a play but sometimes it really does. I still remember the missed scott Norwood kick and without vinitieri, the Brady as know would not be even remotely the same as how we view him. Vinietieri is the one for the first 3 sbs that made all the game winning kicks. What I don’t understand is why a lot of teams don’t pay more for a good kicker. To me, having a great kicker is super important. If it means paying them many millions, so be it,
 
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It's not that simple. There are kickers with perfect mechanics, but are head cases. There are kickers that can nail 10/10 kicks from 45 yards, but can't kick a touch back. Some can't kick on sides kicks. Some are awesome, but injury prone. All kickers are a compromise, and it's not like you can pick one off the shelf.
 
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I don’t know how bringing up the greatest clutch kicker in the history of the nfl makes me high but oh well.
That’s what Indy did after vinieteri helped win New England a third super bowl. They got him to come to Indy offering a lot more money since vanderjack who at the time was the most accurate kicker of all time but always came up short in clutch playoff games, and the next year, Indy finally won the Super Bowl and along the way beat New England.
 
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It's not that simple. There are kickers with perfect mechanics, but are head cases. There are kickers that can nail 10/10 kicks from 45 yards, but can't kick a touch back. Some can't kick on sides kicks. Some are awesome, but injury prone. All kickers are a compromise, and it's not like you can pick one off the shelf.
I agree, and once they lose their confidence they never seem to get it back. My point is when that happens even if the kicker has guaranteed money, to drop the kicker and take your chances with someone else because it can’t get any worse. I am talking about kickers who miss in clutch moments not kickers who just sometimes missed in regular season games like in the third quarter.
 

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I still haven't figured out the Parkey obsession.

It feels like there have been half a dozen threads created about him this week.

The team with arguably the 5th or 6th best QB in the NFC playoffs is now OUT of the playoffs after their kicker missed. Is it really THAT interesting?
The kick was blocked, but he still gets blamed for it.

It's pretty wild that no one is going back and looking at Nagy's play calling and clock management that led up to that point. It's easier to just a blame the kicker, even when his kick was obviously blocked on replay.

I know some Bears fans from my in laws and they've been talking all about the questionable play calling.

I appreciate your assessment about Norwood but he wasn’t a good kicker to begin with. Even in that era, being one out of five on 40 plus on grass is flat out bad.
Is it Norwood's fault he missed or is it his team's fault for putting him in that position?

They scored 44 and 51 points in the AFC playoffs before barely scoring 19 points in the SB.

1 for 8 on third downs and that 1 conversion all day happened on the final drive leading to Norwood's miss.

Thurman Thomas averaged 9 yards a carry and yet they didn't want to run the ball. The Giants used a nickel most of the day, just begging them to run draw plays and pitch tosses to Thurman. Instead, they kept going for their pass happy offense.

Watch that game before you blame Norwood. Many, many things went wrong for the Bills on both sides of the ball. Their defense got owned most of the day by a backup QB and what was essentially an average offense. Mark Ingram Sr had the play of the day on a clutch third down where he busted 3 tackles to get the yards. If you go through a bulk of 90's Buffalo games, you'll notice this as a trend - their defense was not all that good. Even the 1990 team had an average at best defense. Warren Moon and Dan Marino used to carve them up, kinda like how Mark Rypien and Troy Aikman did in the next 3 SBs. They struggled that night with Hostetler and an offense that was far from elite.

Jim Kelly has spoken before over the years about the complete confusion he and Buffalo had over the Giants secondary down field. Their passing game was crippled and the one big play they had all day was on a tipped pass that was a miracle catch.

The Giants gameplan was to eat up as much clock as possible and force Buffalo into a panic frenzy. The Bills had the fastest offense in the league, usually going down the field and scoring in less than 3 minutes. The Giants remedy to this was to exhaust them with long, time consuming drives that would put them in a panic. It worked. That last drive, they had no time left to get it together.

It should've never come down to them having to ask a kicker to make a kick outside his range. Totally not his fault they lost. You can say he's a bad kicker and blame him for that loss if you want, but watching that game in it's entirety will show a completely different story. Buffalo lost that game when the Giants were able to sit and drain the clock repeatedly. There is a reason Kelly, Levy and others have always taken their fair share of blame and defended Norwood. They know it shouldn't have come down to that.
 
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BTW, if you re-watch the replay on Parkey's miss, it was blocked. A hand can be seen with fingertips grazing the ball.

He does not deserve blame for that. It still had two doinks despite the block.

The Bears didn't lose on their kicker. There was some questionably play calling from Nagy which led to that point.
Yeah I don’t see how the bears offense can complain when parkey scored more
Parkey-9
Bears O - 6
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A bad kicker can cost you four games in an entire year as it did with the browns a while back.
You're forgetting that Payton had to come out in 2016 and more or less politely tell Saints fans who were groaning about a shaky Lutz to **** off with that noise, using that "hey this guy will be kicking after I'm done coaching" line. Sure enough, Lutz later started living up to his potential.
 

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So I guess in your assessment there are x number of teams who pay kickers (let’s say it’s 10)
Then the rest of the league just signs journeyman hacks
This assumes there is a pool of available talent who are choosing not to kick professionally for $500k,
That if every team paid $2-5 mil, there would be 32 kickers who’d hit 85% from 50 and in

Is that what you’re arguing?
Sure seems like it. Or if you just pay a kicker more money then he suddenly kicks better. All teams should have great kickers it seems, which is impossible due to the relative term of ‘great’ then changing.
 
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The kick was blocked, but he still gets blamed for it.

It's pretty wild that no one is going back and looking at Nagy's play calling and clock management that led up to that point. It's easier to just a blame the kicker, even when his kick was obviously blocked on replay.

I know some Bears fans from my in laws and they've been talking all about the questionable play calling.



Is it Norwood's fault he missed or is it his team's fault for putting him in that position?

They scored 44 and 51 points in the AFC playoffs before barely scoring 19 points in the SB.

1 for 8 on third downs and that 1 conversion all day happened on the final drive leading to Norwood's miss.

Thurman Thomas averaged 9 yards a carry and yet they didn't want to run the ball. The Giants used a nickel most of the day, just begging them to run draw plays and pitch tosses to Thurman. Instead, they kept going for their pass happy offense.

Watch that game before you blame Norwood. Many, many things went wrong for the Bills on both sides of the ball. Their defense got owned most of the day by a backup QB and what was essentially an average offense. Mark Ingram Sr had the play of the day on a clutch third down where he busted 3 tackles to get the yards. If you go through a bulk of 90's Buffalo games, you'll notice this as a trend - their defense was not all that good. Even the 1990 team had an average at best defense. Warren Moon and Dan Marino used to carve them up, kinda like how Mark Rypien and Troy Aikman did in the next 3 SBs. They struggled that night with Hostetler and an offense that was far from elite.

Jim Kelly has spoken before over the years about the complete confusion he and Buffalo had over the Giants secondary down field. Their passing game was crippled and the one big play they had all day was on a tipped pass that was a miracle catch.

The Giants gameplan was to eat up as much clock as possible and force Buffalo into a panic frenzy. The Bills had the fastest offense in the league, usually going down the field and scoring in less than 3 minutes. The Giants remedy to this was to exhaust them with long, time consuming drives that would put them in a panic. It worked. That last drive, they had no time left to get it together.

It should've never come down to them having to ask a kicker to make a kick outside his range. Totally not his fault they lost. You can say he's a bad kicker and blame him for that loss if you want, but watching that game in it's entirety will show a completely different story. Buffalo lost that game when the Giants were able to sit and drain the clock repeatedly. There is a reason Kelly, Levy and others have always taken their fair share of blame and defended Norwood. They know it shouldn't have come down to that.
Yeah but look who the bills offense was playing, one of the best defenses of all time. The fact they even scored is a miracle or able to set them up in field goal positions.
 
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Yeah but look who the bills offense was playing, one of the best defenses of all time. The fact they even scored is a miracle or able to set them up in field goal positions.
Sure the bills scored tons of points that year, all against vastly inferior afc teams. The nfc side had all time great teams such as the giants with an unbelievable defense, the Montana led 49ers and the emerging cowboys. The fact the bills kept the game so close against an unbelievable giants defense is a miracle itself. Every point was a premium and hard to get in that game.
 
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Sure seems like it. Or if you just pay a kicker more money then he suddenly kicks better. All teams should have great kickers it seems, which is impossible due to the relative term of ‘great’ then changing.
No, as I said only like ten really good kickers and pay whatever it takes to get one of those premium ten kickers or so. It is easy to say why waste all that money on a kicker until it happens to your team. Am sure Chicago and minny fans would have no problems paying 5 million to get a clutch kicker.
 
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No, as I said only like ten really good kickers and pay whatever it takes to get one of those premium ten kickers or so. It is easy to say why waste all that money on a kicker until it happens to your team. Am sure Chicago and minny fans would have no problems paying 5 million to get a clutch kicker.
A lot of kickers give clues early on before they totally tank. For example, the Chicago fans I talked to said parkey had hit the crossbar in one game four times.
 
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Yeah but look who the bills offense was playing, one of the best defenses of all time. The fact they even scored is a miracle or able to set them up in field goal positions.
You can ask any bills fans and they won’t take the position you have. All they say is how awful he is and use the term wide right.
 

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