Why teams don’t value a good kicker (1 Viewer)

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After I watched the Parker miss, I know it was partially tipped but that seems to mean he is still partially to be blamed for the kick. The old saying is that one okay doesn’t define a play but sometimes it really does. I still remember the missed scott Norwood kick and without vinitieri, the Brady as know would not be even remotely the same as how we view him. Vinietieri is the one for the first 3 sbs that made all the game winning kicks. What I don’t understand is why a lot of teams don’t pay more for a good kicker. To me, having a great kicker is super important. If it means paying them many millions, so be it,
 

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John Carney was one of the most accurate kickers ever
He missed a chip shot PAT and we mostly remember how for that anamoly
Justin tucker missed a game tying PAT against us and it was incongruous that it didn’t even move the needle on his avg

I’ve seen Statistics that show “clutch” is not a statistically viable term for late game free throw shooting or late inning hitting
Like many other things in sports talk, there’s way more narrative than substance

So maybe OP do some homework and show the stats about average but clutch kickers
 

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Well, you have done an excellent job perpetuating the thread, even coming back after bowing out of it at least 2 times. But anyway:

Yes, there are many variables to a kicking game, but that is their sole job.
A professional golfer's sole job is to hit a spherical ball with a club. They get to place the ball wherever they want, or the ball is in one place, not moving; they take all the time they want, they get to stare at the ball, take practice swings, align themselves perfectly, everyone is quiet... and then they shank it.

A professional soccer player kicking a free kick does about the same. The place the spherical ball on the spot they want, how they want it, take they time looking at angles, where the players making the barrier are standing, and had about 10 seconds after the ref whistles the ball live before he starts his kicking movement.

The FG kicker, on the other hand, starts his kicking motion before he knows here the oblong ball is going to be, and the angle it is going to be placed. And they have to do this, because if they take too long, someone will be in front of them blocking the kick. So he has to make that adjustment in a fraction of a second.

And where the ball is going to be placed is going to depend on how the center delivers the ball to the holder, where the holder is going to place it, and the angle the holder will place the ball.

And, because where the ball is placed to start the play, the kick will always be at an angle to the goal posts.

Kicking a ball, and putting it where you want it to be, it is very hard. People dismiss football kickers because they are not in there hitting people and getting hit, but don't consider the mechanics that are involved in kicking a ball, like they do with a QB throwing the ball, or a pitcher pitching, or a basketball player throwing a freethrow, or a golfer swinging a club, and they all are using their hands and arms.

That a guy like Justin Tucker is kicking 90% through 7 seasons is downright amazing.
 

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Well, you have done an excellent job perpetuating the thread, even coming back after bowing out of it at least 2 times. But anyway:


A professional golfer's sole job is to hit a spherical ball with a club. They get to place the ball wherever they want, or the ball is in one place, not moving; they take all the time they want, they get to stare at the ball, take practice swings, align themselves perfectly, everyone is quiet... and then they shank it.

A professional soccer player kicking a free kick does about the same. The place the spherical ball on the spot they want, how they want it, take they time looking at angles, where the players making the barrier are standing, and had about 10 seconds after the ref whistles the ball live before he starts his kicking movement.

The FG kicker, on the other hand, starts his kicking motion before he knows here the oblong ball is going to be, and the angle it is going to be placed. And they have to do this, because if they take too long, someone will be in front of them blocking the kick. So he has to make that adjustment in a fraction of a second.

And where the ball is going to be placed is going to depend on how the center delivers the ball to the holder, where the holder is going to place it, and the angle the holder will place the ball.

And, because where the ball is placed to start the play, the kick will always be at an angle to the goal posts.

Kicking a ball, and putting it where you want it to be, it is very hard. People dismiss football kickers because they are not in there hitting people and getting hit, but don't consider the mechanics that are involved in kicking a ball, like they do with a QB throwing the ball, or a pitcher pitching, or a basketball player throwing a freethrow, or a golfer swinging a club, and they all are using their hands and arms.

That a guy like Justin Tucker is kicking 90% through 7 seasons is downright amazing.
maybe the 12th /end thread post we've had in here
but i doubt the thread is dead yet
 

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Finding a good kicker is usually just being lucky. Most kickers in the NFL I have never heard of in college. Then the great college kickers don’t make it in the league. They have some exceptions like Janikowski who was a freaking first round pick and some others.

We got lucky to get Lutz. If not for playing Baltimore in preseason, them having Tucker, & Harbaugh being cool with Coach we may not even have him right now. It was almost like being in the right place & the right time cause he may have told another coach about him.
 

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and for some reason teams can't predict when a kicker is going to miss and thus refuse to change future unclutch kickers the friday before a game
Maybe in the offseason we can get a "Why haven't the Dolphins valued a QB since Marino ?" thread.

Because, you know, they haven't tried since he retired.
 

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All I can think of the pressure on Garret Hartley when he kicked the field goal in overtime to get us to the super bowl !! And he was money in the Super Bowl as well. To this day I will buy the man a drink at a bar should I ever be given the opportunity
 

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Yeah, but he is the exception. Usually the kickers making a lot of money seem to make more clutch kicks. Why the bears paid him so much is beyond me when he has been missing a lot of kicks. And his money is guaranteed so they are stuck with him.
Because the contract was agreed to brfore the season and he missed the kicks during the season.
 

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