Winning, morality and the ambiguity of "good" (1 Viewer)

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in some of the more negative threads, i notice a creeping undertone of moral judgment as some posters "evaluate' the team's problems
just evaluating play and Xs & Os does not fully address the issue for them, an assessment of the team's character is necessary

Culturally we do seem to subconsciously equate "winning" with being good and "losing" with being bad (even though we know better, it's hard for us to not see a rich/successful person as "blessed" and think that a poor person must have done something bad along the way to get where they are)

even in our language the ambiguity of "good" meaning capable or meaning virtuous aids in the confusion/conflation - because a person makes (calls) a bad play, it doesn't make them a bad person

i think this is where the desire to see punishment comes from - some posters want the "bad" people to face a reckoning and that just completely confuses the issue (you might as well get mad at a coin for landing heads up more than 3x in a row)
1. it's not helpful in the analysis of what (if anything) needs to change
2. it takes us into a realm that's difficult to discuss - once we drift into that morality realm, we're discussing belief systems which are 100% subjective - you might as well say, "we shouldn't have Coleman as a receiver b/c his zodiac sign is Cancer and we all know crabs can't catch")

tl/dr - let's try to avoid "moral" assessments of players/the team - not helpful
 

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Interesting subject and one that has been bothering me for a while. I think it is intellectually and emotionally lazy to assign moral judgement rather than football analysis. Perhaps this is reflective of an American mindset that suggests that the only things keeping one from success are desire and ethic. Applied to a losing football team, the explanation then follows that the team is filled with bums who don't care and don't work hard. Very rarely does a player make it to the NFL without an extreme desire to succeed that is supported by an impeccable work ethic. It's just too competitive. It irks me to hear fans disrespect the effort and talent on display, even in an 0 and 3 team.

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Kinda reminds of this line from Star Trek:



Just because you lose/didn't play well doesn't mean you're an awful person, didn't try hard enough or didn't care. Sometimes you just lose.
 

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in some of the more negative threads, i notice a creeping undertone of moral judgment as some posters "evaluate' the team's problems
just evaluating play and Xs & Os does not fully address the issue for them, an assessment of the team's character is necessary

Culturally we do seem to subconsciously equate "winning" with being good and "losing" with being bad (even though we know better, it's hard for us to not see a rich/successful person as "blessed" and think that a poor person must have done something bad along the way to get where they are)

even in our language the ambiguity of "good" meaning capable or meaning virtuous aids in the confusion/conflation - because a person makes (calls) a bad play, it doesn't make them a bad person

i think this is where the desire to see punishment comes from - some posters want the "bad" people to face a reckoning and that just completely confuses the issue (you might as well get mad at a coin for landing heads up more than 3x in a row)
1. it's not helpful in the analysis of what (if anything) needs to change
2. it takes us into a realm that's difficult to discuss - once we drift into that morality realm, we're discussing belief systems which are 100% subjective - you might as well say, "we shouldn't have Coleman as a receiver b/c his zodiac sign is Cancer and we all know crabs can't catch")

tl/dr - let's try to avoid "moral" assessments of players/the team - not helpful
Really admire your post. Can we take this a little further to the way we treat each other on the Board. The more we lose, the more hostile a good deal of the responses are becoming towards each other. We need a mega Xanax for the Board members :mwink:
 

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Interesting subject and one that has been bothering me for a while. I think it is intellectually and emotionally lazy to assign moral judgement rather than football analysis. Perhaps this is reflective of an American mindset that suggests that the only things keeping one from success are desire and ethic. Applied to a losing football team, the explanation then follows that the team is filled with bums who don't care and don't work hard. Very rarely does a player make it to the NFL without an extreme desire to succeed that is supported by an impeccable work ethic. It's just too competitive. It irks me to hear fans disrespect the effort and talent on display, even in an 0 and 3 team.

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Thought it was ok to go there.
 

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