Winston Work Out Video Updates 5-12-21: Working out with Jay Glazer to improve core strength and hip fluidity (1 Viewer)

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I can respect where you are coming from. The difference is that if Brady had come in and we went to the SB, no one would be saying that about Brees. Brees has cemented who he is. Brees' "football DNA" was never a question. He had certain intagibles, especially his feet, since college. There was something to his playing, processing, accuracy and pocket awareness that only heightened when he entered the NFL.
This is kind of revisionist history here. When Brees entered the league he was not what he was with the Saints. I would argue that coming out of college, Winston's football DNA was equal to Brees. While I won't tout the fact that Winston won the Heisman, I will mention that Winston also won offensive ROY. I'll put this question to you; had we not been set at QB with Brees and had the 1st overall pick when Winston was drafted, do you think the team would not have selected him?

The Buc's defense moved up in ranking due to the offence not throwing pick 6's, ball control, etc. The defense was playing behind a totally different offense and the "set up" for the defense by Winston was completely different than the "set up" from by Brady.
You can't simply discount the Bucs defense to support your argument. The Bucs defense moved up from 15th to 5th because of the players they added. Brady was throwing INTs all over the place early in the season. It was their defense that kept them in games until Brady and the offense started clicking.
 
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I'm fine with people promoting themselves. And if they do...it's nice to see them promoting themselves playing the game of football. There are some that are promoting themselves in non-football ways. Kamara regularly posts his insane (and questionably dangerous) work out routines...and nobody seems to care.
 
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This is kind of revisionist history here. When Brees entered the league he was not what he was with the Saints. I would argue that coming out of college, Winston's football DNA was equal to Brees. While I won't tout the fact that Winston won the Heisman, I will mention that Winston also won offensive ROY. I'll put this question to you; had we not been set at QB with Brees and had the 1st overall pick when Winston was drafted, do you think the team would not have selected him?


You can't simply discount the Bucs defense to support your argument. The Bucs defense moved up from 15th to 5th because of the players they added. Brady was throwing INTs all over the place early in the season. It was their defense that kept them in games until Brady and the offense started clicking.
Don't understand this obsession with Winston and Tampa. If Winston had shown zero of evidence of growth. I'd find more relevant, but the reason we even kept him and resign him is that he shown a lot of growth by the end of the season. His former team mates have even commented the change in Winston.

Just like 2004 vs. 2006 vs. 2009 vs. 2018 Brees aren't the same player. Neither is Winston.

Other than trying to be a Debbie downer in Winston... Which is dumb. It makes no sense to be so down on him. He's already RESIGN, Competing for a starting spot. So, you better hope that he or Hill take huge leaps or we are in for a bad season.

Talk about cut your nose to spite your face
 

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Don't understand this obsession with Winston and Tampa. If Winston had shown zero of evidence of growth. I'd find more relevant, but the reason we even kept him and resign him is that he shown a lot of growth by the end of the season. His former team mates have even commented the change in Winston.

Just like 2004 vs. 2006 vs. 2009 vs. 2018 Brees aren't the same player. Neither is Winston.

Other than trying to be a Debbie downer in Winston... Which is dumb. It makes no sense to be so down on him. He's already RESIGN, Competing for a starting spot. So, you better hope that he or Hill take huge leaps or we are in for a bad season.

Talk about cut your nose to spite your face

Honestly that is not a bad thing. Yes having a bad season would suck to watch, but if they both have a bad season, then at least the Saints will be in a more realistic position to draft an elite QB prospect. A lot easier when you either don't have to trade up, or only need to move a few spots than it is to be at #28 or something.
 
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Honestly that is not a bad thing. Yes having a bad season would suck to watch, but if they both have a bad season, then at least the Saints will be in a more realistic position to draft an elite QB prospect. A lot easier when you either don't have to trade up, or only need to move a few spots than it is to be at #28 or something.
Yeah, It's really a win-win situation. A QB situation is way easier to fix than a defense... or an offensive line. It's just one person to get right.
 

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Don't understand this obsession with Winston and Tampa. If Winston had shown zero of evidence of growth. I'd find more relevant, but the reason we even kept him and resign him is that he shown a lot of growth by the end of the season. His former team mates have even commented the change in Winston.

Just like 2004 vs. 2006 vs. 2009 vs. 2018 Brees aren't the same player. Neither is Winston.

Other than trying to be a Debbie downer in Winston... Which is dumb. It makes no sense to be so down on him. He's already RESIGN, Competing for a starting spot. So, you better hope that he or Hill take huge leaps or we are in for a bad season.

Talk about cut your nose to spite your face

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I think you hit the nail squarely on the head when you said he was signed to compete for the starting spot. Some on here have said that Winston will be the MVP, which is crazy because they say it as if it is a realistic expectation. It's not, could it happen, sure, but the chances are extremely low. The chances are about the same as him being a bottom 10 qb and that is assuming he wins the starting job.

I hope Winston does well. My respect for him has grown, but I've also seen some things that shows he still has some growing to do. I think he is in his best shot to succeed, but this mvp talk and other unrealistic comments are just setting up people to be disappointed.
 

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Good thread so far. Got lots of sunshine pumpers, thunderstorm dumpers, optimism, pessimism, communism. .All angles which makes this thread bump worthy in 8 months.
Just remember, he can only be Jameis, not Drew. Following a legend is tough. If he gets the gig, I will support him
 
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Good thread so far. Got lots of sunshine pumpers, thunderstorm dumpers, optimism, pessimism, communism. .All angles which makes this thread bump worthy in 8 months.
Just remember, he can only be Jameis, not Drew. Following a legend is tough. If he gets the gig, I will support him
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE LEVEL-HEADED AND REASONABLE /s
 
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Yep just add on about 8-10 lbs and he's ready to go as a dynamic TE.

He'd go from a mediocre receiver in terms of speed to one of the faster TEs in the league.
Hope dis had been the plan all along for Johnson! At his pro day, he came in at 6’4”, 230 lbs. But the guy has 34 1/2 in arms (along 10 1/2 in hands)! So he should b able to easily add 10-15 lbs of muscle to dat kinda frame.

But man, O linemen have dat kinda arm length n hand size! IF he can add muscle n strengthen his upper body, n work on n develop technique, he could also become an effective blocker.

Finally, I saw a lne from Daniel Jeremiah on JJ from awhile back, where basically he said, “He’s a TE who jus doesn’t know it yet!” 😂

Maybe it’s time he does!
 

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I can respect where you are coming from. The difference is that if Brady had come in and we went to the SB, no one would be saying that about Brees. Brees has cemented who he is. Brees' "football DNA" was never a question. He had certain intagibles, especially his feet, since college. There was something to his playing, processing, accuracy and pocket awareness that only heightened when he entered the NFL.

The Buc's defense moved up in ranking due to the offence not throwing pick 6's, ball control, etc. The defense was playing behind a totally different offense and the "set up" for the defense by Winston was completely different than the "set up" from by Brady.

Winston CAN'T make all the throws, his timing and "out patterns" in the flat are hard to watch. His anticipation was concerning and he tried to wait for receivers to get open then tried to "muscle" the ball into them often. He has ALL THE TOOLS to make all the throws, but he hasn't. I will say that in his time in the 49ers game he was patient, had nice anticipation, went through his reads pretty well and checked down when needed. His toss to Kamara on that seam was really nice with touch and anticipation. He started pressing in the red zone, but when dissecting the 49ers game, there were shades of Winston he had not shown in the past...which is encouraging. IF it all comes together, it could be pretty significant!! His biggest adversary is his own mental game...if he can stay out of his way...wow. If he gets the starting nod, he will have earned it "hands down". If he can not regress and keep progressing and not press, when he can really let it loose with the potential he has, it is exciting to think about.

For both Taysom and Jameis, it is mental. Whoever can learn new mental habits faster will be our QB. I was thinking a few months ago it would be Jameis, but now cannot say. Taysom is just quite, no videos from his camp so far :)

I am happy now with the Ian Book pick and also Trevor Simien our backup QB. Most likely, Ian Book will be slotted on the PS. We will carry 3 QBs this year, and all three are on our roster right now (I think!)
 

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For both Taysom and Jameis, it is mental. Whoever can learn new mental habits faster will be our QB. I was thinking a few months ago it would be Jameis, but now cannot say. Taysom is just quite, no videos from his camp so far :)

I am happy now with the Ian Book pick and also Trevor Simien our backup QB. Most likely, Ian Book will be slotted on the PS. We will carry 3 QBs this year, and all three are on our roster right now (I think!)
I believe Trevor will be let go. Book on a practice squad will be snatched up by another team as a 3rd stringer for development. That's the reason we drafted him, not to give him away
 

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I'm excited to see what the new days will be.
You know Jameis has Drew on speed dial for any questions........and we all know Drew told him to call any time. I won't be shocked to see Drew pop up at the facility for moral support or camp for that matter.
On another note. Kid has a cannon
He does. Very talented. Here’s hoping a year with the GOAT rubbed off mentally
 

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Glad to see him working on the out routes and some timing throws. Hope he is working on feet and base set up, beyond just "pitch and catch", that is where he needs to do a lot of work on. He seems to have been working on some more "touch" to his throws. He had some nice throws and anticipation in the short time he was in the 49ers game that you usually didn't see from him in the past. He started pressing hard in the 4th quarter, but before then he was relaxed and managed what the D gave to him. It's almost all "upstairs" for him.
 

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