Without Sean Payton, Mickey Loomis record is 32-44 right now (1 Viewer)

[NS_Saint]

Loomis made a bunch of blunders. You could have paid T.Hendrickson but you chose to put faith in an oft injured DT who you traded two 1's for when Lamar Jackson was still on the board. Used a franchise tag on Marcus Williams who walked a year later, you got rid of Vonn Bell because Williams was balling out, 2 for 1 double fail. You traded CJGJ who was/is leading the NFL in interceptions, rather than trying to make it work for 1 more year and then traded him for peanuts. You let Malcom Brown walk who was an effective run stopper. Marcus Maye is a 100% downgrade and has not lived up to the hype thus far, now safety goes from a point of strength to weakness. Waited way too long to address the QB position knowing Brees was basically year to year. Hired Dennis Allen that went against league trends and also hired a guy who was bad in his first stop and no other organization was blowing up the phone to interview him.

The whole coaching search felt like a sham to the fans from day 1.

In a salary cap league you can't keep and pay all of your good players. On a stacked roster, tough decisions have to be made and sometimes good players get. Sure you could have paid Hendrickson or Williams, but that would have meant someone else leaving or getting cut from an area we probably couldn't afford to lose anyone from at the time.

 

[EGLSShin]

In a salary cap league you can't keep and pay all of your good players. On a stacked roster, tough decisions have to be made and sometimes good players get. Sure you could have paid Hendrickson or Williams, but that would have meant someone else leaving or getting cut from an area we probably couldn't afford to lose anyone from at the time.

That move was horrendous though, it had catastrophic implications. You franchise a guy because you need time to work out a long term deal, you were paying either a 13.5 sack guy who you could move around and cause havoc that the Saints haven't had in a long time or Williams. You let Hendrickson out of the door and don't pay Williams a year later, and you've regressed at two critical positions on the field. It's gonna be a miracle if Davenport is here next year, in a contract year, he's been way below standard for what they invested in. I would have mentioned letting Kwon walk but you surprisingly caught lightning in a bottle with Kaden Ellis.

Loomis let way too much talent out of the door and we're seeing it every Sunday. The only positives this season is that it appears you hit on Alontae Taylor, Kaden Ellis belongs on the field, Demario Davis still has it and Werner looks to be an elite talent. Ruiz has had his epiphany where the light turned on.

 

[Eman5805]

That move was horrendous though, it had catastrophic implications. You franchise a guy because you need time to work out a long term deal, you were paying either a 13.5 sack guy who you could move around and cause havoc that the Saints haven't had in a long time or Williams. You let Hendrickson out of the door and don't pay Williams a year later, and you've regressed at two critical positions on the field. It's gonna be a miracle if Davenport is here next year, in a contract year, he's been way below standard for what they invested in. I would have mentioned letting Kwon walk but you surprisingly caught lightning in a bottle with Kaden Ellis.

Loomis let way too much talent out of the door and we're seeing it every Sunday. The only positives this season is that it appears you hit on Alontae Taylor, Kaden Ellis belongs on the field, Demario Davis still has it and Werner looks to be an elite talent. Ruiz has had his epiphany where the light turned on.

Uh. Chris Olave? And we’re about to see what Trevor Penning has. Loomis has to be favored in regards to finding people that can find and develop young talent.

That counts for a great deal because that’s exactly how the team returns to winning long term.

 

[saintfan-n-alex]

How much of player acquisition and departure are left solely up to Loomis?

Can he refuse to sign /draft a player the coaches want?

Can he trade players the coaches want to keep?

Or does he just make the financials work and do the bargaining?

Who decided to make the trades for Penning, Turner and Dav? Was that loomis going against the coaches ?

Not sure he is to blame , the DA hire may have been him

 

[liveoakh]

Without Mickey Loomis, Sean Payton is winless as an NFL head coach.

You hanging your hat on loomis? What a joke!!!!

 

[meily]

since when did GM's have a win loss record?

 

[inetnawlins]

Didn’t realize Loomis was the coach.

 

[liveoakh]

since when did GM's have a win loss record?

What yard stick are you using? It's the W/L, that owners use when they fire the GMs. You have either won to few or lost to many.

 

[NatureBoy]

Dude has made some egregious decisions, particularly last offseason that will cost this team for many years. He didn’t build a real QB transition plan when they knew Brees was getting close to retirement. He keeps saddling the team with these terrible cap situations year after year, and he keeps getting made to look like a fool by the Eagles GM with some truly horrendous trades. Dudes ultimately culpable for the state of the team and needs to go along with the coaching staff.

Excellent post. It goes way beyond him not having Payton. The condition of this organization, top to bottom, falls at his feet. Now it's up to Gayle to fix it. She did an excellent job restructuring the Pelicans and look at the results. Good young team, financially responsible cap situation, draft assets, trade assets, etc. Plenty of flexibility to get better and sustain being better. Time to do something similar with the Saints.

 

[liveoakh]

I agree with everything that you said above. But Loomis already earn his credit as being one of the best GM in the NFL with the hire of Sean Payton, which lead to a Superbowl title, several NFC Championship appearance, and several NFC South division titles.

Besides Loomis was responsible for countless transactions that made the Saints one of the best teams in the NFL for 15 years. So I don't think the Mickey Loomis needs to evaluated anything. He's already proven his value.

You have to be kidding me man. Get a grip! There was no real genius in Loomis signing Sean or Brees. The Saints were not either of their first choices. Loomis was looking at McCarthy first and then Sean, after McCarthy took the GB job. Loomis signed Sean by default. We signed what was left over. We only got Brees, because Miami took one look Drew's medical file and low balled the hell out of him. Then signed Culpepper. That's how Sean/Drew ended up with the Saints. That's just the truth.

Every fan that has been around since the paper bag days knows that The Sean/Loomis sucked, why do you think they brought in Ireland in the first place? Sean called the shoots here, not Loomis. Loomis is a Cap guy.......that's it. Sean is a better GM than Loomis.

 

[pierce2poydras]

So a GMs record without a hall of fame head coach is bad. Nothing to see here. It's only an issue if he doesn't fire Allen.

Bill Belichick has no wins as GM without HOFer Bill Belichick as a head coach. Just think about that one!

ETA: I think hiring a HOF head coach that stays with your organization for 1.5 decades is actually the most valuable achievement a GM can claim. So i'm giving our guys a little slack here. Can't burn em after one bad hire. Only if they stack up bad hires

 

[Taker597]

Could be worse....we could've landed Watson or even worse traded for Russell, neither of which have a single winning season left in them

You do realize that Cleveland is getting Watson back next week and surely will beat the Texans to go 5-7...

Then, they got a really mediocre Bengals team and a up and down Raven's team.

Then, we could potentially face them at 7-7 with Watson....


That's the most Dennis Allen thing that could ever happen.

 

[pierce2poydras]

You do realize that Cleveland is getting Watson back next week and surely will beat the Texans to go 5-7...

Then, they got a really mediocre Bengals team and a up and down Raven's team.

Then, we could potentially face them at 7-7 with Watson....


That's the most Dennis Allen thing that could ever happen.

yeah we aren't winning that one

 

[Lazarus]

Yep you heard right. It was just brought on the WWL radio Saints post game show. Mickey Loomis record without Sean Payton is 32 - 44 . Plenty of blame to go around. Loomis does not look good at all when you remove Sean Payton.

Laughable, the GM puts together the roster based on the coaches plan and vision, not independent of it, This premise is seriously deficient in perception of reality.

 

[Lazarus]

Really? Well I see a whole lot of empty suit w/ Loomis.

1.) The Watson fiasco, he dragged Ms Gayle into meeting w/ a player w/ 24 sexual misconduct allegations.

2.) Loomis lets Williams go, brings in Mathew/Maye to play safety. Then trade away Ceddy, who now plays safety w/ Philly w/ 6 INTs 8 PBU 1 sack. With all the musical chairs BS w/ safeties, we end up with not the best safety on a one yr deal. It is like stepping over a C note, to pick up a Quarter.

3.) Loomis sold out DA in his 1st year, with all this "win now" and "all in" playoff BS.

4.) Why does Loomis get the credit for Sean and Ireland's work? Loomis never picked the talent. I have never recalled, a time when any player, was a player Loomis stood on the table for. I can't recall him taking credit for any drafted players. Good or bad picks. Sure he was in the room, and Sean would say we did this or that, but you knew it was Sean's deal, w/ Ireland's homework.

5.) Why does Loomis get a pass, for not finding a legit QB over the last 3 yrs?

man you are seriously messed up, you contradict yourself three ways to Sunday in one post.

Is Loomis responsible for Identifying the talent, or Do Sean and Ireland get credit for that?

If Sean and Ireland are responsible for identifying the talent , How is it Loomis fault?

Do You personally know Loomis? If not how do you know he was the one pushing for Watson? Was it DA and Ireland? Now that Sean is gone aren't they the ones who get credit for identifying the talent?

You sir are so far out on a limb there is no hope for you . You think you know but you don't even know what you think. @Madmarsha queue up the Mora video