Woman jailed, stripsearched and beaten for :GASP: sitting by a man at a Starbucks (1 Viewer)

But because their religion is different from yours, their ideas are crazy yet yours are perfectly ok.


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It's like going to Great Britain and turning right at a red light, getting arrested and then telling them "Well it is legal in our country".

Just as it was said above, if you are going to another Country it is in your best interest and your responsibility to learn what is acceptable.
 
When is the time you've seen Religion police out in public with the authority to arrest someone on the spot? Seriously.
Again, did you read the story?

The men were from Saudi Arabia's Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, a police force of several thousand men charged with enforcing dress codes, sex segregation and the observance of prayers.

They're the police, enforcing the laws of their country. How is that any different from a Vice Squad raiding a pornography shop for selling dirty videos and arresting the owner? Religion is being used to pass the laws and enforce their religious morality on everyone, even people who don't share their religion or morality.

BTW (from another response of yours in this thread) I'm not stating "oh this is their culture" and excusing it -- I'm noting the hypocrasy of people who decry their laws as barbaric or stupid because we're so advanced compared to them, yet we have very similar laws over here -- and many who want our laws to be even MORE based on religion. Basically -- if you are outraged at that law, you should at least be pretty upset with a heck of a lot of ours.
 
:17:

It's like going to Great Britain and turning right at a red light, getting arrested and then telling them "Well it is legal in our country".

Just as it was said above, if you are going to another Country it is in your best interest and your responsibility to learn what is acceptable.

I am 100% sure if you broke a traffic law in the U.K. and you were actually arrested, you would not get stripped and beaten. I get your point, but there is a clear line here on human rights. Saudi Arabia is consistently at the top of the list on the world's biggest offenders of human rights. We only turn a blind eye in this country because of money, oil, and the need for a military foothold in the vicinity.

Here is the lesson I got from this story:

No matter what sex you are, don't ever go to Saudi Arabia for any reason.
 
:17:

It's like going to Great Britain and turning right at a red light, getting arrested and then telling them "Well it is legal in our country".

Just as it was said above, if you are going to another Country it is in your best interest and your responsibility to learn what is acceptable.

I never said she wasn't "in the wrong" based on their laws. I was asking why there isn't more of a public outcry against their absurd laws.

You don't see it as being a just a tad bit overkill to arrest, stripsearch someone and beat them for sitting next to someone.

Sounds abit like our civil rights movement that sure stirs some emotion. I just don't get the "meh, that's how they roll" attitude towards their barbaric actions.

I mean seriously, if they beat and killed small children and burned them on stakes would you just say.. "well those kids shouldn't have been eatin' candy on a Wednesday, that's their law."
 
I never said she wasn't "in the wrong" based on their laws. I was asking why there isn't more of a public outcry against their absurd laws.


What business is it of mine what laws they have? Why the double standard?

When they travel here I certainly expect them to obey our laws.
 
Seems to me like it's just not a good place to be a woman.

If she dressed like an American showing skin she would probably have been locked up for being a whore. Gotta love the culture over there in the Middle East.

Edit: So it's no big deal because we aren't at war with them? Wouldn't you think gathering intelligence from TERRORISTS would be more justified than beating/interrogating some civilian woman with no obvious terrorist affiliation?

oh dont get me wrong, im not for the beating of any woman for any reason here, there or anywhere.

i was just stating that we are not at war with them so they would have no right to touch any American citizen - not that they would if we were - it sounded to me as the post i was responding to was justifying their actions.

it defiantly not a place for a woman who doesnt follow their rules, not that i agree with their rules, im sure some of their women do and some dont - its a dangerous place to not follow the rules for anyone seems to me - though women seem to suffer harsher penalties for lesser offenses.
 
The religious police, formally known as "The Authority for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vices," in Saudi Arabia operate outside of the government but under the tacit approval of the monarchy.

They came under considerable condemnation in 2002 for making school girls go back into a burning building because they didn't have their head coverings. Fourteen children died and the monarchy promised to curb the role of the religious police.

Saudi Arabia: Religious Police Role in School Fire Criticized
March 15, 2002

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/03/15/saudia3801.htm

Since then, they've been gradually reasserting themselves and taking matters into their own hands, even as the monarchy says it's cutting back on their authority to act.
 
Again, did you read the story?



They're the police, enforcing the laws of their country. How is that any different from a Vice Squad raiding a pornography shop for selling dirty videos and arresting the owner? Religion is being used to pass the laws and enforce their religious morality on everyone, even people who don't share their religion or morality.

BTW (from another response of yours in this thread) I'm not stating "oh this is their culture" and excusing it -- I'm noting the hypocrasy of people who decry their laws as barbaric or stupid because we're so advanced compared to them, yet we have very similar laws over here -- and many who want our laws to be even MORE based on religion. Basically -- if you are outraged at that law, you should at least be pretty upset with a heck of a lot of ours.


Oh so it's ok because those are the "police." I see.

I'm sorry, but you're not going to get me to see a direct correlation between a woman sitting next to a male co-worker for coffee because the electricity was out in their office and videoing,selling and profitting illegal underage pornography and the exploitation of children.

Again you're reaching.

Sure there are some laws that I think are a bit much, but as you can see our country has taken a more human rights approach, hence the end of segregation. Yes, minorities may still have it rougher than others, but tell me if something like this happened in our country if people wouldn't be crying for justice more?
 
meh, she was probably asking for it




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Peyton, again I wasn't complaining that she didn't break the law. I was saying and have said numerous times that when are people going to realize that some of these laws are barbaric.

And there have been many times where our laws and ways of life have been "modified" to make sure we didn't offend people who aren't even citizens in our country.
 
oh dont get me wrong, im not for the beating of any woman for any reason here, there or anywhere.

i was just stating that we are not at war with them so they would have no right to touch any American citizen - not that they would if we were - it sounded to me as the post i was responding to was justifying their actions.

it defiantly not a place for a woman who doesnt follow their rules, not that i agree with their rules, im sure some of their women do and some dont - its a dangerous place to not follow the rules for anyone seems to me - though women seem to suffer harsher penalties for lesser offenses.

Got ya :9:

Why a woman would want to visit the Middle East is beyond me. Maybe she was an from a family of Saudi immigrants born in the US so she was technically a US citizen?
 
Sure there are some laws that I think are a bit much, but as you can see our country has taken a more human rights approach, hence the end of segregation.

It's this part.

You have to understand that outside the boundaries of the United States of Amurkah that people hold different values, their culture is different, religion, laws and many other things that differ from ours daily lives and beliefs.

So with the understanding of that. What you are basically saying is that they should amend their beliefs to fit with what you see as right or acceptable?

Think about it.
 
It's this part.

You have to understand that outside the boundaries of the United States of Amurkah that people hold different values, their culture is different, religion, laws and many other things that differ from ours daily lives and beliefs.

So with the understanding of that. What you are basically saying is that they should amend their beliefs to fit with what you see as right or acceptable?

Think about it.

I may be in the minority, but I think it should be obvious from a human standpoint some thinks just are untolerable.

Beating/violating another human for no discernable reason should be unacceptable in any country or culture. If it's not then I'll reserve my right to view them as barbaric.
 

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