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Would you give up your picks to do the following:


Trade up from 10 to 7 (assuming thats how it falls) to snag:

Sedrick Ellis / Glenn Dorsey - whichever one falls

COST = 3rd rounder + #10


Lets assume Patriots then select McKevlin at #10...then at pick #15 DRC has not been selected still.

We make some phone calls to see what it takes to move into the 15-18 slots

COST = This years 2nd, next years 2nd, and a 4th round pick next year


You come away with super talents like Ellis and Cromartie, but you've hurt your draft next year, and also basically given away this years aside from a 5th, 6th, 7th round picks.


If I were in the Dolphins shoes then I would never do such a thing, however we are two defensive playmakers away from winning the big dance. So I believe you play for those 2 big names. Chances that you hit on your 3rd - 7th round picks are slim to none. 2006 was great, but in no way should we ever EXPECT that again.

For arguements sake, just plug your favorite two top 15 names in there.

I'm sure you can make a case for Dorsey/Rivers, Jenkins/Ellis, McKelvin/Rivers...etc. etc.


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No. I wouldn't even consider it.
 

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I don't think trading up is the way to go, alot of guys this time of year are "can't miss" and they miss all the time, at least 3 players going in the top 10 who are "sure things" will fail that is about the closest thing to a sure thing in every draft IMO.

Glenn Dorsey, and Sedrick Ellis as much as I would like either, are not excluded from this. I don't really wanna move anywhere but down and stockpile some picks (that is the proven formula that works). Whats it gonna take to get to 7 overall? a 3rd? Also picks next year are always a bad thing IMO unless conditional (draft trades are never condiitional, no condition to base it one really) God forbid Drew Brees gets injured, where do you think we are picking then top 5? Pick 41 and pick 35 or so next year (granted that just a scenario, and not etched) But essentially you are spending 5 picks on 2 players. I want the body's in there personally, the round a player is drafted in has no bearing on how the player will do or what kind of pro you have. Its all a crap shoot and the only way to better your odds of finding a great player, is to dip your hand in a few extra times. Also what happens with Vilma's conditional if he does great and is resigned... we are out our 2nd and would have to pony up our first to move back into the first this year. Then we are still talking 2 players outta 5 picks and those players still aren't guarenteed to do anything.
 
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I am just tired of the 3rd - 5th round picks that give us hope and hamper our production. We hope year after year that guys like Cie Grant, or Alfred Fincher would be starters, and we wasted time giving them the chances. Sullivan of course would go against this theory of trading up, but he wasn't the top guy that year and it was a bit of a surprise pick. I believe if your a few guys away you go after a few guys. If your rebuilding stockpile picks. I'm not sure what the "proven theory" means, because it has worked both ways. Last year the Browns picked up Joe Thomas, and still got Brady Quinn. Sure Anderson is the starter, but only b/c he had a pro bowl season. Quinn looked great and is still worth a 1st rounder if they wanted to trade him.

Give me Cromartie and Dorsey and I don't care about next years draft because we'll be picking 32nd.
 

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Thoughts on this?

No, but I would try to sucker another team into doing that.

Superstars, especially the ones that have never played a down in the NFL, are usually not an asset. They're more often a liability.

That's why you trade your superstars away in exchange for good solid 2nd and 3rd round players. Very often, the final 4 playoff teams have "no name" defenses and "patched together" offensive lines. Superstars put butts in the seats, but can make it difficult to re-sign good, solid players that do win games.
 
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Quinn looked great
In his EAS commercials :idunno:

Just because guys from the old regime didn't pan out doesn't mean the new staff can't evaluate talent. Would you really rather see this team without Usama Young (3rd), Andy Alleman (3rd), Jermon Bushrod (4th), Roman Harper (2nd I know you said 3-5th but you were talking about trading this year's 2nd and next), Jahri Evans (4th), Zach Strief (7th), and Marques Colston (7th).

I think they have done a decent job finding guys that will make us a great team in the future in the later rounds. Teams can't simply trade away everything for a couple of first rounder's in one year.
 
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No, but I would try to sucker another team into doing that.

Superstars, especially the ones that have never played a down in the NFL, are usually not an asset. They're more often a liability.

That's why you trade your superstars away in exchange for good solid 2nd and 3rd round players. Very often, the final 4 playoff teams have "no name" defenses and "patched together" offensive lines. Superstars put butts in the seats, but can make it difficult to re-sign good, solid players that do win games.


Lets analyize that and assume these are the top 5 teams from LAST year IMO

Patriots - patched but with a few superstars - Samuel, Bruschi, Seymour
Chargers - star studded - Merriman, Cromartie, Castillo, Phillips, Jammer
Giants - patched with a few stars - Strahan, Tuck, Uminyora
Colts - solid but with stars - Sanders, Freeney
Dallas - solid with stars - Ware, Newman

Now we are comparable to all these defenses minus one thing...STARS. We think of Grant, Smith, McKenzie as stars, but really they are above average guys in the leagues eyes. I think MM is the closest thing we have to a superstar/playmaker. All of these other teams excluding the Patriots have guys that were drafted in the first round. In most cases it takes the super talented 1st round guys to become SUPER stars. Again in MOST cases.

From the list of top 5 teams here are the first round players

Seymour, Merriman, Cromartie, Castillo, Jammer, Tuck, Freeney, Ware, Newman

Very high second round picks were: Samuel, Strahan, Umenyiora, Sanders

Only top player from those excellent teams that wasn't a top 2 pick was Bruschi who is blessed with Colstonitis.

You can probably do the same for most every great defense out there

Off the top of my head Green Bay: AJ Hawk, Woodson, Barnett were top picks, but they were blessed with Kampman and Harris is later rounds.

Ravens when they were in their prime: Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, McAllister..all high first round picks.


It's a common misconception to believe you can be great with average talents. Sure you can get lucky here and there, but you can't bank on it. Everyone harps on the first round talents that "miss", but the real misses are the countless 2nd and 3rd rounders who haunt rosters for years doing practically nothing. You might get a superstar 10% of the time. I guess I just work on probabilities, and I'd rather have 2 guys with a 90% success rate than 5 guys with a 30-60% success rate.
 
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In his EAS commercials :idunno:

Just because guys from the old regime didn't pan out doesn't mean the new staff can't evaluate talent. Would you really rather see this team without Usama Young (3rd), Andy Alleman (3rd), Jermon Bushrod (4th), Roman Harper (2nd I know you said 3-5th but you were talking about trading this year's 2nd and next), Jahri Evans (4th), Zach Strief (7th), and Marques Colston (7th).

I think they have done a decent job finding guys that will make us a great team in the future in the later rounds. Teams can't simply trade away everything for a couple of first rounder's in one year.

Like I said before 2006 was a miracle year, and if you expect that or even half of that you are fooling yourself. First off you can't have 4 starters a year b/c by year 3 you would be replacing your 1st year draft class. Also, you would probably be cap broke b/c young starters are projected to be great players and when they resign they want big bucks. 2006 is gonna cost us alot of money...and rightfully so we got some serious talent.

Face it, 2006 was a miracle year, 2007 was a bad year, 2008 ?? Maybe it's the middle of the road year. Remember the roster before the 2006 draft? It stunk, and there were alot of holes that could be filled. Now however we have a playoff team that needs those "get over the top" players.

To answer your question about Young, Alleman, Bushrod -

Young - If I had my way and got DRC, yes I could do without him...we also have Gay and now Glenn along with MM coming back.

Alleman - Really can't answer that, he hasn't shown anythign one way or the other.

Bushrod - I'd really like to keep him....good point, but he is still dept at this point and on offense. A defense is going to take this team to the super bowl, not Oline debt. Maybe we suffer in a few years, but I want the trophy.
 
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Like I said before 2006 was a miracle year, and if you expect that or even half of that you are fooling yourself. First off you can't have 4 starters a year b/c by year 3 you would be replacing your 1st year draft class. Also, you would probably be cap broke b/c young starters are projected to be great players and when they resign they want big bucks. 2006 is gonna cost us alot of money...and rightfully so we got some serious talent.

Face it, 2006 was a miracle year, 2007 was a bad year, 2008 ?? Maybe it's the middle of the road year. Remember the roster before the 2006 draft? It stunk, and there were alot of holes that could be filled. Now however we have a playoff team that needs those "get over the top" players.

To answer your question about Young, Alleman, Bushrod -

Young - If I had my way and got DRC, yes I could do without him...we also have Gay and now Glenn along with MM coming back.

Alleman - Really can't answer that, he hasn't shown anythign one way or the other.

Bushrod - I'd really like to keep him....good point, but he is still dept at this point and on offense. A defense is going to take this team to the super bowl, not Oline debt. Maybe we suffer in a few years, but I want the trophy.

I don't see how you can say 2007 was a bad year. It was their rookie season, I suppose if you expect rookies to come in and immediately unseat vets and make pro bowls then yes it was a disappointment. You should probably wait until at least after this coming season to judge the success of last year’s class.<O:p
 

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It's a common misconception to believe you can be great with average talents.

Every team has room for a a couple of superstars, but a bunch of them are a liability.

I tseems that every year, the SB teams usually have to jettison a couple in order to pay their bread and butter players.
 

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absolutely not....this would likely destroy the team for years to come, and destroy the salary cap....trading up for a can't miss dl or cb is way too much of a gamble to mortgage your entire future on...you are basically trading 6 draft choices (high ones at that) for 2 players...I'd rather have those 6 players any day of the week...we would have no depth and no youth, which is way draft picks are so important...and I'd bet that at least 2 of those 6 will be every bit as good as the dl and the cb that was drafted, and we would still have 4 other payers...ESPN just showed a report that picking in the first round is a crap shpopt every year, and just as many players flame out as make it..under that scenario, either the DL or the CB would be a bust....then we would have traded 6 high picks for one player...
 

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