Wuhan Coronavirus Outbreak (Update: 17 US cases confirmed) (23 Viewers)

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It shouldn't be a big deal but with a large number of people unable to afford healthcare, and the anti vax crowd growing there's a small chance that this could be interesting.
 
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... how is the headline sensationalist?
Maybe I should say the underlying incident is sensationalist.

In my head, I'm imagining that someone in the rear of the plane had a rough cough, and then some passengers heard it and leaped straight to "Coronavirus! Coronavirus!". The crew and captain got wind of it, so they had to do a CYA maneuver and ground the plain after landing until medics could get on board and confirm that the hacking passenger had a regular old chest cold.

Upon reflection, it's possible that the airline had some knowledge of the passenger's recent whereabouts ... so maybe -- unlikely, but maybe -- the leap to "Coronavirus!" is more informed than I'm imagining.

Don't like the idea that at this moment, anyone who has a bad cough on a plane or a cruise ship -- anywhere in the world -- now becomes a "suspected coronavirus" carrier.

I'm just seeing panic and overkill CYA at every turn. I guess academically, I'm "wrong" -- you gotta lock down the world to stop this coronavirus. You gotta go overboard. You gotta make rash decisions with absolutely no information beforehand. If it's got a one-in-a-billion chance to be "Coronavirus!", you gotta move heaven and earth to lock that person down. To quarantine 3000 people on a cruise ship only to see hundreds more get infected as a result. To break into homes, smack people around, shove guns into their faces, and weld their doors shut.

To me, it's all part of the same mentality. I know, I'm wrong. This is getting me in the gut ... not in the head. I can follow the reasoning, but I can't make it palatable.
 

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Maybe I should say the underlying incident is sensationalist.

In my head, I'm imagining that someone in the rear of the plane had a rough cough, and then some passengers heard it and leaped straight to "Coronavirus! Coronavirus!". The crew and captain got wind of it, so they had to do a CYA maneuver and ground the plain after landing until medics could get on board and confirm that the hacking passenger had a regular old chest cold.

Upon reflection, it's possible that the airline had some knowledge of the passenger's recent whereabouts ... so maybe -- unlikely, but maybe -- the leap to "Coronavirus!" is more informed than I'm imagining.

Don't like the idea that at this moment, anyone who has a bad cough on a plane or a cruise ship -- anywhere in the world -- now becomes a "suspected coronavirus" carrier.

I'm just seeing panic and overkill CYA at every turn. I guess academically, I'm "wrong" -- you gotta lock down the world to stop this coronavirus. You gotta go overboard. You gotta make rash decisions with absolutely no information beforehand. If it's got a one-in-a-billion chance to be "Coronavirus!", you gotta move heaven and earth to lock that person down. To quarantine 3000 people on a cruise ship only to see hundreds more get infected as a result. To break into homes, smack people around, shove guns into their faces, and weld their doors shut.

To me, it's all part of the same mentality. I know, I'm wrong. This is getting me in the gut ... not in the head. I can follow the reasoning, but I can't make it palatable.
I agree that it's hard to properly process. I think much of what are images and stories with quite a bit of emotional gravity are coming from China. First, that means that the government is much more free to take a heavy hand and to do things like weld people inside of their apartments. I don't think its really reasonable to presume that's going to happen in places in the west. But also, China is dealing with a full-on massive outbreak that has exceeded the capacity of both its medical system and reasonable epidemiological measures.

But those things are indeed happening and when you see tens of millions on lockdown, when you see cities being fogged by giant trucks, and when you see piles of bodybags, it's not irrational to be alarmed by that - they're real. At the same time, for the rest of us, we're not anywhere near that yet. There are huge unknowns here, however, and the outbreak of a novel virus from a known dangerous family of viruses requires genuine mitigation effort. It may end up being something we just live with - but it would be crazy to just let it go wild.

I don't think we're at the point where any UR illness is suspected coronavirus - there have to be other criteria. Simply being Asian is a poor one.
 

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New cases popping up in Japan more frequently.

This one today had symptoms develop three-days after returning from an 11-day stay in Hawaii. Troubling.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200214/k10012286491000.html
Is there an English-language link?

EDIT: Is this it? No mention of Hawaii, though.

 

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New cases popping up in Japan more frequently.

This one today had symptoms develop three-days after returning from an 11-day stay in Hawaii. Troubling.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200214/k10012286491000.html
Ran the text through Google Translate and did a small amount of cleanup. Just pronouns, the term "year-old", and odd translations of English "this". It's actually hard to tell from the translation whether the new patient is a man or a woman:

New virus confirmed in 60-year-old in Aichi Prefecture

According to the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, it has been newly confirmed that a Japanese person in their 60s living in Aichi Prefecture is infected with the new coronavirus.

The man had a fever of 39 degrees Celsius on the 8th of this month after he had a cold on 3rd of this month and visited a medical institution.

When he returned to the hospital on 10th of this month, he showed signs of pneumonia. On the 13th, he was wandering and was transported to a medical institution in Aichi Prefecture by emergency.

As a result of the inspection, it was [today] confirmed that the patient was infected with the new coronavirus.

The man stayed in Hawaii on a trip from 28th of [last] month to 7th of this month, and had been recuperating at home since the 8th.

[Accordingly] they wore a mask when boarding an airplane or going out.
 

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Is the fear with this purely that the mortality rate rises dramatically when hospitals get overwhelmed with patients? Because outside of China, and even more specifically outside of Wuhan, the mortality rate is negligible so far but the reactions to it are extreme.
 

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Is the fear with this purely that the mortality rate rises dramatically when hospitals get overwhelmed with patients? Because outside of China, and even more specifically outside of Wuhan, the mortality rate is negligible so far but the reactions to it are extreme.
I can tell you that it wouldn't take much to overwhelm the healthcare in Hawaii. It is already pretty overwhelmed on the BIg Island. 2 weeks to see a GP in many instances. 6 months to see some specialists since they only fly in periodically from Oahu. So yeah, I'm extremely concerned.
 

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Is the fear with this purely that the mortality rate rises dramatically when hospitals get overwhelmed with patients? Because outside of China, and even more specifically outside of Wuhan, the mortality rate is negligible so far but the reactions to it are extreme.
I think the fear level is a sliding scale depending on who you ask and what that person believes is true. Anywhere from keeping a watchful eye to zombies are coming.
 

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I think the fear level is a sliding scale depending on who you ask and what that person believes is true. Anywhere from keeping a watchful eye to zombies are coming.
I think the foor is going to end up being hundreds of thousands dead and economy is going to struggle. Worst case tens of millions die, healthcare system in US is overrun and economy goes into recession. Zombies isnt until next year.
 

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