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I mentioned this in a different thread, but I thought it worth a separate discussion (in reaction to a comment from Saint Kamara). It's at least interesting.

Over the past 4 years, the 2020 Saints are 36th out of 128 teams in YPG but an awful 118th out of 128 teams in PPG. We are giving up a point for every 11.32 yards they give up: 29P PG vs. just 328.3 YPG. In contrast, the best ratio (over the past few years (the 2017 Pats) gave up a point for every 19 yards they gave up (18.5PPG vs. 366 YPG).

In fact, I went back as far as 2009 (at work, so...) and didn't find another team that gave up points at such a high rate vs. yards given up.

(See below for the 2020-2017 numbers, based on data from https://www.footballdb.com.)

Explanations? Awful red zone defense, for sure. The YPG is actually higher once you take penalties into consideration? Maybe the difference between an awful D and a sensational O: the other team doesn't get the ball often when we control the clock, but when they do, they score?

I'm hoping this is a statistical aberration, and things correct/regress toward the mean.

TeamPts/GYds/G
Ratio​
2017 New England PatriotsNew England18.5366
19.78378​
2020 Baltimore RavensBaltimore17.3339.8
19.64162​
2019 New England PatriotsNew England14.1275.9
19.56738​
2017 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers17328.4
19.31765​
2020 Miami DolphinsMiami18.8360.2
19.15957​
2019 Buffalo BillsBuffalo16.2298.2
18.40741​
2019 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City19.2349.6
18.20833​
2020 Arizona CardinalsArizona20.9378.4
18.10526​
2019 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota18.9341.6
18.07407​
2019 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay19.6352.6
17.9898​
2020 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City20.4361.6
17.72549​
2018 New England PatriotsNew England20.3359.1
17.68966​
2020 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams17.7312.9
17.67797​
2018 Tennessee TitansTennessee18.9333.4
17.64021​
2017 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota15.8275.9
17.46203​
2019 Chicago BearsChicago18.6324.1
17.42473​
2019 Tennessee TitansTennessee20.7359.5
17.36715​
2018 Houston TexansHouston19.8343.1
17.32828​
2017 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City21.2365.1
17.2217​
2017 Baltimore RavensBaltimore18.9325.1
17.20106​
2020 Chicago BearsChicago20342
17.1​
2019 Baltimore RavensBaltimore17.6300.6
17.07955​
2017 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville16.8286.1
17.02976​
2019 Denver BroncosDenver19.8337
17.0202​
2018 Chicago BearsChicago17.7299.7
16.9322​
2018 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia21.8366.2
16.79817​
2018 Denver BroncosDenver21.8365.1
16.74771​
2020 SeahawksSeattle28.7479.2
16.69686​
2017 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia18.4306.5
16.65761​
2017 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans20.4336.5
16.4951​
2017 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams20.6339.5
16.48058​
2018 Baltimore RavensBaltimore17.9292.9
16.36313​
2018 Dallas CowboysDallas20.2329.2
16.29703​
2018 Seattle SeahawksSeattle21.7353.3
16.28111​
2019 Dallas CowboysDallas20.1327
16.26866​
2018 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers20.6333.7
16.19903​
2017 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta19.7318.4
16.16244​
2019 Houston TexansHouston24.1388.3
16.11203​
2019 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh18.9304.1
16.08995​
2018 Cleveland BrownsCleveland24.5393
16.04082​
2017 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh19.2306.9
15.98438​
2020 San Fran2020 cisco 49ersSan Francisco19.4309.6
15.95876​
2017 Chicago BearsChicago20319.1
15.955​
2017 Buffalo BillsBuffalo22.4355.1
15.85268​
2017 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay23.9378.1
15.82008​
2018 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans22.1349.1
15.79638​
2018 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis21.5339.4
15.78605​
2018 Washington RedskinsWashington22.4353.4
15.77679​
2020 Tennessee TitansTennessee25.5401.8
15.75686​
2018 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville19.8311.4
15.72727​
2019 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans21.3333.1
15.6385​
2017 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati21.8339.1
15.55505​
2017 Carolina PanthersCarolina20.4317.1
15.54412​
2017 Seattle SeahawksSeattle20.8323.2
15.53846​
2017 New York GiantsNY Giants24.2373.2
15.42149​
2018 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City26.3405.5
15.41825​
2019 Seattle SeahawksSeattle24.9381.6
15.3253​
2017 Dallas CowboysDallas20.8318.1
15.29327​
2019 Detroit LionsDetroit26.4400.4
15.16667​
2017 Detroit LionsDetroit23.5355.8
15.14043​
2020 New England PatriotsNew England23.8360.3
15.13866​
2019 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville24.8375.4
15.1371​
2019 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati26.2393.7
15.02672​
2017 Oakland RaidersOakland23.3350.1
15.02575​
2019 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia22.1331.7
15.00905​
2020 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis19.2288
15​
2018 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams24358.6
14.94167​
2019 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams22.8339.6
14.89474​
2018 Detroit LionsDetroit22.5335
14.88889​
2019 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis23.3346.8
14.88412​
2018 Carolina PanthersCarolina23.9353.2
14.77824​
2017 Tennessee TitansTennessee22.2328
14.77477​
2017 New York JetsNY Jets23.9352.2
14.7364​
2017 San Francisco 49ersSan Francisco23.9351.6
14.7113​
2019 Cleveland BrownsCleveland24.6361.6
14.69919​
2020 Carolina PanthersCarolina24351.1
14.62917​
2017 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis25.2367.1
14.56746​
2019 Arizona CardinalsArizona27.6402
14.56522​
2018 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta26.4384.5
14.56439​
2018 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati28.4413.6
14.56338​
2018 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh22.5327.2
14.54222​
2018 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota21.3309.7
14.53991​
2017 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay24348.9
14.5375​
2020 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh19.7286.3
14.53299​
2019 San Francisco 49ersSan Francisco19.4281.8
14.52577​
2019 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers21.6313.1
14.49537​
2018 Miami DolphinsMiami27.1391.1
14.43173​
2019 New York JetsNY Jets22.4323.1
14.42411​
2018 New York GiantsNY Giants25.8371.4
14.39535​
2020 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta29.6425.9
14.38851​
2017 Washington RedskinsWashington24.2347.9
14.37603​
2020 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay20.3291.3
14.34975​
2020 New York GiantsNY Giants24.9356.3
14.30924​
2019 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta24.9355.8
14.28916​
2020 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati27.7395.1
14.26354​
2020 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers25.7366.2
14.24903​
2018 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay25354.4
14.176​
2019 Washington RedskinsWashington27.2385.1
14.15809​
2020 Buffalo BillsBuffalo25.4359.3
14.14567​
2020 Detroit LionsDetroit27.5380.5
13.83636​
2018 New York JetsNY Jets27.6380.4
13.78261​
2017 Arizona CardinalsArizona22.6310.9
13.75664​
2017 Miami DolphinsMiami24.6335.7
13.64634​
2019 Oakland RaidersOakland26.2354.8
13.54198​
2020 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville31.4424.4
13.51592​
2018 Arizona CardinalsArizona26.6358.8
13.48872​
2020 Houston TexansHouston31417.6
13.47097​
2019 New York GiantsNY Giants28.2377.3
13.37943​
2020 Denver BroncosDenver25.5339.2
13.30196​
2020 New York JetsNY Jets29385
13.27586​
2018 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay29383.4
13.22069​
2020 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay26.5350.3
13.21887​
2020 Washington Football TeamWashington23.6309.1
13.09746​
2018 Oakland RaidersOakland29.2381.4
13.06164​
2020 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota32413.7
12.92813​
2019 Miami DolphinsMiami30.9397.8
12.87379​
2017 Cleveland BrownsCleveland25.6328.1
12.81641​
2018 San Francisco 49ersSan Francisco27.2346.6
12.74265​
2017 Houston TexansHouston27.2346.6
12.74265​
2019 Carolina PanthersCarolina29.4374.5
12.7381​
2018 Buffalo BillsBuffalo23.4294.1
12.56838​
2020 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia28350.9
12.53214​
2020 Las Vegas RaidersLas Vegas32.8403.7
12.30793​
2019 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay28.1343.9
12.23843​
2017 Denver BroncosDenver23.9290
12.13389​
2020 Cleveland BrownsCleveland31.6380.3
12.03481​
2020 Dallas CowboysDallas34.7408.1
11.76081​
2020 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans29328.3
11.32069​
 

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All interesting but it really just comes down to wins and losses. Over the last 4 or 5 years, I think the Saints have been the best at that, or certainly very near the top. Unfortunately, a few of those limited losses have been very ahhh, untimely. 🙃
 

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I mentioned this in a different thread, but I thought it worth a separate discussion (in reaction to a comment from Saint Kamara). It's at least interesting.

Over the past 4 years, the 2020 Saints are 36th out of 128 teams in YPG but an awful 118th out of 128 teams in PPG. We are giving up a point for every 11.32 yards they give up: 29P PG vs. just 328.3 YPG. In contrast, the best ratio (over the past few years (the 2017 Pats) gave up a point for every 19 yards they gave up (18.5PPG vs. 366 YPG).

In fact, I went back as far as 2009 (at work, so...) and didn't find another team that gave up points at such a high rate vs. yards given up.

(See below for the 2020-2017 numbers, based on data from https://www.footballdb.com.)

Explanations? Awful red zone defense, for sure. The YPG is actually higher once you take penalties into consideration? Maybe the difference between an awful D and a sensational O: the other team doesn't get the ball often when we control the clock, but when they do, they score?

I'm hoping this is a statistical aberration, and things correct/regress toward the mean.

TeamPts/GYds/G
Ratio​
2017 New England PatriotsNew England18.5366
19.78378​
2020 Baltimore RavensBaltimore17.3339.8
19.64162​
2019 New England PatriotsNew England14.1275.9
19.56738​
2017 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers17328.4
19.31765​
2020 Miami DolphinsMiami18.8360.2
19.15957​
2019 Buffalo BillsBuffalo16.2298.2
18.40741​
2019 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City19.2349.6
18.20833​
2020 Arizona CardinalsArizona20.9378.4
18.10526​
2019 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota18.9341.6
18.07407​
2019 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay19.6352.6
17.9898​
2020 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City20.4361.6
17.72549​
2018 New England PatriotsNew England20.3359.1
17.68966​
2020 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams17.7312.9
17.67797​
2018 Tennessee TitansTennessee18.9333.4
17.64021​
2017 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota15.8275.9
17.46203​
2019 Chicago BearsChicago18.6324.1
17.42473​
2019 Tennessee TitansTennessee20.7359.5
17.36715​
2018 Houston TexansHouston19.8343.1
17.32828​
2017 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City21.2365.1
17.2217​
2017 Baltimore RavensBaltimore18.9325.1
17.20106​
2020 Chicago BearsChicago20342
17.1​
2019 Baltimore RavensBaltimore17.6300.6
17.07955​
2017 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville16.8286.1
17.02976​
2019 Denver BroncosDenver19.8337
17.0202​
2018 Chicago BearsChicago17.7299.7
16.9322​
2018 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia21.8366.2
16.79817​
2018 Denver BroncosDenver21.8365.1
16.74771​
2020 SeahawksSeattle28.7479.2
16.69686​
2017 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia18.4306.5
16.65761​
2017 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans20.4336.5
16.4951​
2017 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams20.6339.5
16.48058​
2018 Baltimore RavensBaltimore17.9292.9
16.36313​
2018 Dallas CowboysDallas20.2329.2
16.29703​
2018 Seattle SeahawksSeattle21.7353.3
16.28111​
2019 Dallas CowboysDallas20.1327
16.26866​
2018 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers20.6333.7
16.19903​
2017 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta19.7318.4
16.16244​
2019 Houston TexansHouston24.1388.3
16.11203​
2019 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh18.9304.1
16.08995​
2018 Cleveland BrownsCleveland24.5393
16.04082​
2017 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh19.2306.9
15.98438​
2020 San Fran2020 cisco 49ersSan Francisco19.4309.6
15.95876​
2017 Chicago BearsChicago20319.1
15.955​
2017 Buffalo BillsBuffalo22.4355.1
15.85268​
2017 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay23.9378.1
15.82008​
2018 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans22.1349.1
15.79638​
2018 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis21.5339.4
15.78605​
2018 Washington RedskinsWashington22.4353.4
15.77679​
2020 Tennessee TitansTennessee25.5401.8
15.75686​
2018 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville19.8311.4
15.72727​
2019 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans21.3333.1
15.6385​
2017 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati21.8339.1
15.55505​
2017 Carolina PanthersCarolina20.4317.1
15.54412​
2017 Seattle SeahawksSeattle20.8323.2
15.53846​
2017 New York GiantsNY Giants24.2373.2
15.42149​
2018 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City26.3405.5
15.41825​
2019 Seattle SeahawksSeattle24.9381.6
15.3253​
2017 Dallas CowboysDallas20.8318.1
15.29327​
2019 Detroit LionsDetroit26.4400.4
15.16667​
2017 Detroit LionsDetroit23.5355.8
15.14043​
2020 New England PatriotsNew England23.8360.3
15.13866​
2019 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville24.8375.4
15.1371​
2019 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati26.2393.7
15.02672​
2017 Oakland RaidersOakland23.3350.1
15.02575​
2019 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia22.1331.7
15.00905​
2020 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis19.2288
15​
2018 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams24358.6
14.94167​
2019 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams22.8339.6
14.89474​
2018 Detroit LionsDetroit22.5335
14.88889​
2019 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis23.3346.8
14.88412​
2018 Carolina PanthersCarolina23.9353.2
14.77824​
2017 Tennessee TitansTennessee22.2328
14.77477​
2017 New York JetsNY Jets23.9352.2
14.7364​
2017 San Francisco 49ersSan Francisco23.9351.6
14.7113​
2019 Cleveland BrownsCleveland24.6361.6
14.69919​
2020 Carolina PanthersCarolina24351.1
14.62917​
2017 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis25.2367.1
14.56746​
2019 Arizona CardinalsArizona27.6402
14.56522​
2018 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta26.4384.5
14.56439​
2018 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati28.4413.6
14.56338​
2018 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh22.5327.2
14.54222​
2018 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota21.3309.7
14.53991​
2017 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay24348.9
14.5375​
2020 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh19.7286.3
14.53299​
2019 San Francisco 49ersSan Francisco19.4281.8
14.52577​
2019 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers21.6313.1
14.49537​
2018 Miami DolphinsMiami27.1391.1
14.43173​
2019 New York JetsNY Jets22.4323.1
14.42411​
2018 New York GiantsNY Giants25.8371.4
14.39535​
2020 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta29.6425.9
14.38851​
2017 Washington RedskinsWashington24.2347.9
14.37603​
2020 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay20.3291.3
14.34975​
2020 New York GiantsNY Giants24.9356.3
14.30924​
2019 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta24.9355.8
14.28916​
2020 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati27.7395.1
14.26354​
2020 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers25.7366.2
14.24903​
2018 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay25354.4
14.176​
2019 Washington RedskinsWashington27.2385.1
14.15809​
2020 Buffalo BillsBuffalo25.4359.3
14.14567​
2020 Detroit LionsDetroit27.5380.5
13.83636​
2018 New York JetsNY Jets27.6380.4
13.78261​
2017 Arizona CardinalsArizona22.6310.9
13.75664​
2017 Miami DolphinsMiami24.6335.7
13.64634​
2019 Oakland RaidersOakland26.2354.8
13.54198​
2020 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville31.4424.4
13.51592​
2018 Arizona CardinalsArizona26.6358.8
13.48872​
2020 Houston TexansHouston31417.6
13.47097​
2019 New York GiantsNY Giants28.2377.3
13.37943​
2020 Denver BroncosDenver25.5339.2
13.30196​
2020 New York JetsNY Jets29385
13.27586​
2018 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay29383.4
13.22069​
2020 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay26.5350.3
13.21887​
2020 Washington Football TeamWashington23.6309.1
13.09746​
2018 Oakland RaidersOakland29.2381.4
13.06164​
2020 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota32413.7
12.92813​
2019 Miami DolphinsMiami30.9397.8
12.87379​
2017 Cleveland BrownsCleveland25.6328.1
12.81641​
2018 San Francisco 49ersSan Francisco27.2346.6
12.74265​
2017 Houston TexansHouston27.2346.6
12.74265​
2019 Carolina PanthersCarolina29.4374.5
12.7381​
2018 Buffalo BillsBuffalo23.4294.1
12.56838​
2020 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia28350.9
12.53214​
2020 Las Vegas RaidersLas Vegas32.8403.7
12.30793​
2019 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay28.1343.9
12.23843​
2017 Denver BroncosDenver23.9290
12.13389​
2020 Cleveland BrownsCleveland31.6380.3
12.03481​
2020 Dallas CowboysDallas34.7408.1
11.76081​
2020 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans29328.3
11.32069​
I think this whole list means nothing since the 2018 Patriots are around 10-15 on this list and yet won the Super Bowl. Edit: Nothing is harsh. I'm drunk. I wouldn't put too much faith in this type of list when playoff teams and Super Bowl winners are on it despite it being a negative list.
 
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I think this whole list means nothing since the 2018 Patriots are around 10-15 on this list and yet won the Super Bowl. Edit: Nothing is harsh. I'm drunk. I wouldn't put too much faith in this type of list when playoff teams and Super Bowl winners are on it despite it being a negative list.
Yup, you were drunk. The 2018 Pats are at the top of the list, meaning they kept points off the board despite yards given up. In fact, the Pats seem to be up there alot, meaning they were either lucky, good in the red zone, or excelled at bending without breaking.
 

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We allow 6.27 points per redzone attempt.
The rest of the league is between 4.07 and 5.90

We allow 85 penalty yards per game.
The rest of the league is between 30 and 70 yards.
The only good news here is that statistical probability is on our side. Regression to the mean will help us suck (a bit) less over time.

It's a wonder that we sit at 4-2.

Really hope this D can find its way.
 
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I dont think these numbers correlate well
what it doesnt take into account is those pesky penalty yards. We got hundreds of those

those the real points / yard numbers would be quite higher if we dont give up 508 yards in 6 games.

Which results in 29 pts / 412,9 yrds = 14,24 (although no calculated the penalty yards from the other teams those years)

So not only are we giving up lots of points but also lots of yards through penalties. Which results in the same… we suck at D
 

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