The Demonstrations in Minnesota (Update: Now Nationwide){Now International} (4 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

This chart is depressing for a few reasons, not the least of which is how far behind I am. Apparently I'm not taking advantage of the full benefits of my white privilege.

Lol, indeed. I still am literally negative net worth.

 

[St. Widge]

There's a handful of people who make it a great place, most days, but I'm going there today unless I find myself morbidly curious.

I went there last night. Don't do it. People are very emotional and not really thinking before they post. I suspect there will be many flame outs. Andrus posted something last night indicating that it was already happening.

 

[insidejob]

I suspect that is the answer. I also suspect that NOPD won't tell us that if it is the answer. But, I guess I think that's part of the problem with the "Thin Blue Line" concept and Police Departments having no outside oversight.

NOPD just held a press conference that showed why the tear gas was used. They had given one of the unofficial "Leaders" of the protest their own NOPD microphone to explain to the crowd that they couldn't go any further (likely because they couldn't be protected by the NOPD once they got past General Degaulle). The "leader" said she wasn't going to tell them to go home like the police asked her to do and instead they started forming a plan to break through the police line. They put all the men in front, told women to go to the back and to remove all jewelry, etc. and then the charged the police line to cross. It was all recorded on video and on the "leader's" facebook live which lasted for almost 2 hours. They let her talk using their microphone for almost 20 minutes before they rushed the police.

ETA: Not taking a side, just explaining what the press conference showed.

 

[Eeyore]

This chart is depressing for a few reasons, not the least of which is how far behind I am. Apparently I'm not taking advantage of the full benefits of my white privilege.

Apparently, I'm not doing my Master's degree justice. I don't see any $600,000 jobs available to me. Or $150,000 jobs.

 

[St. Widge]

NOPD just held a press conference that showed why the tear gas was used. They had given one of the unofficial "Leaders" of the protest their own NOPD microphone to explain to the crowd that they couldn't go any further (likely because they couldn't be protected by the NOPD once they got past General Degaulle). The "leader" said she wasn't going to tell them to go home like the police asked her to do and instead they started forming a plan to break through the police line. They put all the men in front, told women to go to the back and to remove all jewelry, etc. and then the charged the police line to cross. It was all recorded on video and on the "leader's" facebook live which lasted for almost 2 hours. They let her talk using their microphone for almost 20 minutes before they rushed the police.

Thanks for the info. In that context, I guess there wasn't much NOPD could do.

But, it is kind of ironic that NOPD tear gassed people to protect them. At the same time, it's probably true as we all know JPSO would not have allowed anything like this without violence. It also sounds like they don't want to tell us that JPSO told them that if people crossed the Parish line, they would respond with force.

 

[AARPSaint]

There's a handful of people who make it a great place, most days, but I'm going there today unless I find myself morbidly curious.

Good grief, I never ever in a million years thought that the EE Board would be a refuge from the Superforum. But it is right now.

 

[insidejob]

Thanks for the info. In that context, I guess there wasn't much NOPD could do.

But, it is kind of ironic that NOPD tear gassed people to protect them. At the same time, it's probably true as we all know JPSO would not have allowed anything like this without violence. It also sounds like they don't want to tell us that JPSO told them that if people crossed the Parish line, they would respond with force.

I mean, we all remember what happened to people who crossed into Gretna trying to escape the flooded Eastbank after Katrina. The Gretna PD was recently ranked as one of the worst PD's in the country based on violence towards minorities and brutality complaints per capita. I doubt those protesters would have liked what they had in store for them more than the tear gas from the NOPD. We've noted in numerous threads the difference between how things go down once you cross from Orleans into Jefferson.

 

[DaveXA]

Disparate treatment based on race in the justice system is not only found in interaction with police officers. It manifests in many applications - the setting of bond and release conditions is another.

For example (presuming this is true - it's not sourced but appears real). These three men were booked on the same charge (violating curfew associated with the protests), in the same city (appears to be Greensboro, NC). The white guy gets $100 bond. The Asian guy gets $300. The African-American guy gets $500.





It is possible that this may have been based on criminal history but we're only talking a few hundred dollars, is some minor history any reason to squeeze the black guy for more money based on the same offense in the same context? It happens every day.

While I ordinarily agree that blacks get the short end in a lot of situations, i think this isn't really the best way to illustrate it because as others have said the bail may be based on prior criminal history.

That said, basing it on criminal history in itself is problematic because a higher percentage of blacks have longer criminal histories which places a greater, and I'd argue, unfair/unequal burden on them for a lot of reasons.

 

[St. Widge]

I mean, we all remember what happened to people who crossed into Gretna trying to escape the flooded Eastbank after Katrina. The Gretna PD was recently ranked as one of the worst PD's in the country based on violence towards minorities and brutality complaints per capita. I doubt those protesters would have liked what they had in store for them more than the tear gas from the NOPD. We've noted in numerous threads the difference between how things go down once you cross from Orleans into Jefferson.

Yeah, I know a guy who is now a Federal agent that joined Gretna PD to get post certified (with the plan that he would move on quickly) and he described their training as basically the same kind of training he got in ROTC. They were trained to be soldiers, not policemen or peace keepers.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Good grief, I never ever in a million years thought that the EE Board would be a refuge from the Superforum. But it is right now.

What are you talking about? The SSF has been insufferable for years.

 

[St. Geezy]

This chart is depressing for a few reasons, not the least of which is how far behind I am. Apparently I'm not taking advantage of the full benefits of my white privilege.

I believe you're only joking here, but I think it is important to remind that white privilege does not always equate to being something you can "take advantage of."

What it generally means is just that whatever issues you have in your life, including pay-scale, cannot be attributed to being hindered by your race. You don't have to worry about that specific thing - your race does not hinder you.

 

[Zztop]

Good grief, I never ever in a million years thought that the EE Board would be a refuge from the Superforum. But it is right now.

yeah, I made the mistake at looking at the "cut Malcom Jenkins" topic... and I couldn't stomach more than a few minutes of it. Theres a hell of a lot of ignorant comments in there.

 

[tomwaits]

What are you talking about? The SSF has been insufferable for years.

Did we ever sign Suh? I mean, Clowney?

 

[St. Widge]

I believe you're only joking here, but I think it is important to remind that white privilege does not always equate to being something you can "take advantage of."

What it generally means is just that whatever issues you have in your life, including pay-scale, cannot be attributed to being hindered by your race. You don't have to worry about that specific thing - your race does not hinder you.

Yep. My lack of ambition is all that hinders me.

 

[James Spader]

Not significant in my opinion. The vote passed by a 2-1 margin if I recall correctly. We understand that our property values are directly related to the performance of our school system which is almost always top 10 in the state (tallest little person?) I looked it up. Our school receives $95,000 less per classroom than the state average as punishment for doing well. I want to say that each increase resulted in less than a $500 per year increase. It's worth it and then some. The opportunities that are provided to these kids vs. the school that I attended are amazing. My ex's oldest was able to sing at Disneyland, and visit D.C. and her youngest played Carnegie Hall. The oldest just got into Columbia College Chicago. Disney, Pixar, etc. hire from there. That probably wouldn't have happened at my old school system.

It's easy to see how different the opportunities are. The money spent on the schools are about the same per student but the parents have the opportunity to make a huge difference. The school that I went to and the one in my current town are about 2 miles apart but there's a world of difference. My old school is being closed down because of a shortage of students despite the city offering paid tuition for an associate's degree for any student who attended, and graduated from a Hammond school.

Hammond is mostly low income. Lots of single parent homes and/or homes where everybody works. The parents don't have the opportunity to volunteer, make sure that the homework is done, nor do they have the money to pay for trips to Disney, Carnegie Hall, Washington D.C. etc.

That's the difference. I can't say that Hammond parents would, or would not participate if they could but I can say that my eyes were opened to what I missed out on and what millions of kids miss out on after I moved. If the parents were able to be more active in the schools I think that things would have a chance to even out a bit but the economic differences make that impossible and it affects all races but predominantly minorities.

My wife is a 3rd grade teacher in Jefferson Parish. The amount of apathy by the parents across most parents is depressing. The school can only do so much, if parents don’t care, no amount of money will make a difference. The volume of depressing stories that I hear would shock most. I swear I have heard more sad stories listening to my wife vent to me about this than I ever got in the Marines. If the parents are crap when it comes to school, the kid is just SOL unless they have their own personal drive to succeed.