Championship Coaches On Their Second Stint (1 Viewer)

[Saint Jack]

With Payton most likely going to another franchise within the next two years, (in my opinion, if he stays in the booth after two years, he ain’t going back) it got me thinking of how likely and how successful Super Bowl coaches are in their second stint with another franchise.

1. Lombardi (Green Bay to Washington 7-5-2)
2. Stram (Kansas City to New Orleans 7-21)
3. McCafferty (Baltimore Colts to Detroit 7-6-1)
4. Flores (Oakland to Seattle 14-34)
5. Walsh (San Francisco to Standford 17-17-1)
6. Ditka (Chicago to New Orleans 15-33)
7. Parcells (New York Giants to New England 32-32, to New York Jets 29-19, and Dallas 34-30)
8. Seifert (San Francisco to Carolina 16-32)
9. Jimmy Johnson (Dallas to Miami 36-28)
10. Holmgren (Green Bay to Seattle 86-74)
11. Shanahan (Denver to Washington 24-40)
12. Vermiel (St. Louis to Kansas City 44-36, had a 54-37 run in Philadelphia before winning a Super Bowl with the Rams.)
13. Gruden (Tampa to Las Vegas 22-31, had a previous stint in Oakland with his overall record with the Raiders is 60-57)
14. McCarthy (Green Bay to Dallas 18-15)
15. Doug Pederson will begin his first season with Jacksonville after winning a championship in Philadelphia.

Of the 38 head coaches with a Super Bowl, 15 coaches went to a different franchise AFTER winning a championship with Parcells having the most success with a Super Bowl appearance with the Patriots.
Vermeil actually won a championship on his second stint. He and Parcells are the only two to go to three franchises. Ironically, Vermeil actually only has a losing record with the team he won a championship with in the Rams with a 22-26 record.
Of those 15 coaches, only 7 had winning records with the other NFL team. Walsh got to .500 in college.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Ditka won 15 games here?

 

[Saint Jack]

Ditka won 15 games here?

6-10,6-10, and 3-13.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

6-10,6-10, and 3-13.

Thanks all I remember is despair and embarrassment from that era....hard to fathom that we actually won 15 games.

 

[AARPSaint]

Incredibly interesting post. The track record overall for such coaches is quite terrible. Let's hope Dennis Allen helps turn around the trend.

One caveat: Walsh going to Stanford isn't really a fair comparison. Pro and College coaching operates in different ways, particularly in an elite academic university like Stanford.

 

[SaintsMan209]

It will be interesting what (if any) success Payton will have post Saints. They gave him the credit card, the keys, and they believed in him even during the challenging times. It was the perfect situation. He will see what it's like to work for big egos like Jerry and Stephen Jones who want to get all the credit. Mr. Benson, Mickey, and Gayle were never one for the spotlight. I think the Saints go all the way this year and continue to dominate because their actual focus is FOOTBALL and they have the eye for it.

 

[Brennan77]

Incredibly interesting post. The track record overall for such coaches is quite terrible. Let's hope Dennis Allen helps turn around the trend.

One caveat: Walsh going to Stanford isn't really a fair comparison. Pro and College coaching operates in different ways, particularly in an elite academic university like Stanford.

You're forgetting the qualifier of championship winning coach. DA hasn't won the big one as a head coach...yet.

 

[AARPSaint]

You're forgetting the qualifier of championship winning coach. DA hasn't won the big one as a head coach...yet.

Absolutely correct. I blame the caffeine for the mistake. Here's another chance for Allen to buck the trend.

 

[football]

Expectations for Payton early on was really low. I mean looking back, the team just came off of Katrina, the dome wasn't ready yet, a rookie head coach, a "broken quarterback" and displaced fanbase. All that were reasons to expect years of rebuilding before any contentions. No one expected a winning season that first year. But Payton and company just shocked the world. Benson learned to trust and be patient with him. Even through those 7-9 8-8 years, there was no doubt Payton was still going to continue. Crazy to say, but he was blessed to start out with absolutely nothing. Grateful for everything he did.

If or when he goes back into coaching, success needs to come early and often for Payton. Probably signing the richest contract for a coach, going to organization and city that will pull out the red carpet. But Payton will have to expect the way he ran things here will be different with the new team. Owner, front office, players and even fan base will play a role. Whether he will be successful remains to be seen.

We all remember him for his success here. But also do remember some of his downfall. Keep in mind of how he handle Greg Williams during his time that lead to the "bounty sandal". How he handled the draft, and free agents and players pre Jeff Ireland. From 2014 to 2016, some had questioned Payton ability to coach this team anymore. With any other team, Payton would of been fired.

All in all, it will be different for Payton. We will see.

 

[bmfyxpp]

Here's an odd trivia footnote: if you go back to the pre-merger era, there are two coaches who won NFL Championships then went on to win Super Bowls with another team - and they both coached the Colts:

Weeb Ewbank won 2 championships in the 50s with the Colts.

Don Shula won an NFL championship in 1968, then lost the Super Bowl 2 weeks later... to Weeb Ewbank's Jets.

But Shula did pretty well after that.