It appears the Kellen Moore thing may be shaky (33 Viewers)

[REBELMAX]

I was told there are doubts around his ability to lead. Was told that yesterday morning.

My question is why are you having those doubts as you’re flying to Philly ? Wouldn’t you have had them before then ?

Brady torched them and declined interview , Kingsbury didn’t torch them but declined the opportunity to interview.

There is now a funk on the team and organization that might be hard to shake. The Ownership / Loomis stuff is getting traction ( rightfully so or undeserved it really doesn’t matter at the point ) People are leaving the organization including a guy in the search process. Again right or wrong it looks very bad.

What if ? What if they get up there and Kellen Moore doesn’t exactly clear his schedule what if he takes the interview but on his own time and terms ? If the Saints were to offer Kellen Moore and he needs 24 hours to decide if he wants the job and then declines it would be catastrophic.

I THINK there is some fear to offer him bc he might not take the offer.

His agent is the same as Joe Brady FWIW.

If you couldn’t get your Top 3 guys you hire Rizzi and save face and ‘keep shopping’ during his tenure.

They have not only messed this entire process up badly but they are taking massive reputation hits along the way in NFL circles.

I’m not sure what they’re doing now. I am sure as of 2 days ago they were flying up to lock down Kellen Moore. Something happened. Can’t get a straight answer as to what. But that’s my theory.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

That’s interesting. A few minutes ago, Rapoport said that, to him, Kellen Moore is in a very strong position with the Saints on NFLN’s Insiders show.

 

[meily]

That’s interesting. A few minutes ago, Rapoport said that, to him, Kellen Moore is in a very strong position with the Saints on NFLN’s Insiders show.

I'll go with this report.

People are reaching with this "he's not an alpha male" report.

Neither is Mike McDaniel and he's a pretty good coach.

 

[Snakehead]

I'll go with this report.

People are reaching with this "he's not an alpha male" report.

Neither is Mike McDaniel and he's a pretty good coach.

He sure led Boise St. to a 50-3 record with him as a starting QB. A guy who is not a leader of young men, does not do that.

 

[StudioSaint]

I’m not sure what they’re doing now. I am sure as of 2 days ago they were flying up to lock down Kellen Moore. Something happened. Can’t get a straight answer as to what. But that’s my theory.

I appreciate you making it clear that you are giving your theories on what's happening based on the bits of incomplete information that you're getting.

 

[trashman]

Gayle needs to restructure the front office. Hire Rizzi and use him as a bridge and let him know this up front unless he wows Ms. B and the fandom. Go from there if all this is true to a degree.

 

[soggymoss84]

They couldn’t fly up there to lock him down, he cannot be locked down until after the super bowl. They could however fly up there and tell him he is their guy and they want him leading the B&G.

 

[MikeyF]

Gayle needs to restructure the front office. Hire Rizzi and use him as a bridge and let him know this up front unless he wows Ms. B and the fandom. Go from there.

I watched the Saints hire a new coach every 3 years for first 25 years of my life...
That isn't something that works out well...
It normally results in disaster!

 

[Fiyo]

I’m guessing that it’s McCarthy’s job if he wants it under Loomis’ conditions … if MM wants full control, I’m guessing (again) that it will be Rizzi. … I’m in no way against Moore … I could easily be wrong as convoluted as it’s all become, but basic gut instinct is telling me he won’t be the guy.

 

[Andrus]

I was told there are doubts around his ability to lead. Was told that yesterday morning.

My question is why are you having those doubts as you’re flying to Philly ? Wouldn’t you have had them before then ?

Brady torched them and declined interview , Kingsbury didn’t torch them but declined the opportunity to interview.

There is now a funk on the team and organization that might be hard to shake. The Ownership / Loomis stuff is getting traction ( rightfully so or undeserved it really doesn’t matter at the point ) People are leaving the organization including a guy in the search process. Again right or wrong it looks very bad.

What if ? What if they get up there and Kellen Moore doesn’t exactly clear his schedule what if he takes the interview but on his own time and terms ? If the Saints were to offer Kellen Moore and he needs 24 hours to decide if he wants the job and then declines it would be catastrophic.

I THINK there is some fear to offer him bc he might not take the offer.

His agent is the same as Joe Brady FWIW.

If you couldn’t get your Top 3 guys you hire Rizzi and save face and ‘keep shopping’ during his tenure.

They have not only messed this entire process up badly but they are taking massive reputation hits along the way in NFL circles.

I’m not sure what they’re doing now. I am sure as of 2 days ago they were flying up to lock down Kellen Moore. Something happened. Can’t get a straight answer as to what. But that’s my theory.

If the Saints hire Rizzi that really tells me something. If Rizzi is your guy you wouldn't have let some coaches get away, especially Kubiak, would you? Surely, Rizzi wouldn't want Kubiak getting away and then having to bring someone in with a new offense, as Kubiak's is the best option for Carr, and for stability on offense. Letting coaches go to other teams was to me a clear indication that the Saints were moving on from Rizzi and possibly the entire current coaching staff. Right now, one would think that if it isn't Moore, it's going to be McCarthy... Edit: ... and just because I said that they will hire either Kafka or Weaver.

 

[trashman]

I watched the Saints hire a new coach every 3 years for first 25 years of my life...
That isn't something that works out well...
It normally results in disaster!

i understand but neither is what we are doing currently working. What is the common variable in all this?

 

[srcampbell]

I'll go with this report.

People are reaching with this "he's not an alpha male" report.

Neither is Mike McDaniel and he's a pretty good coach.

Hey, us Saints fans are big on the “alpha male” thing. If Moore doesn’t establish clear dominance during his first press conference, he is not a leader of men.

 

[trashman]

If the Saints hire Rizzi that really tells me something. If Rizzi is your guy you wouldn't have let some coaches get away, especially Kubiak, would you? Surely, Rizzi wouldn't want Kubiak getting away and then having to bring someone in with a new offense, as Kubiak's is the best option for Carr, and for stability on offense. Letting coaches go to other teams was to me a clear indication that the Saints were moving on from Rizzi and possibly the entire current coaching staff. Right now, one would think that if it isn't Moore, it's going to be McCarthy.

If this is all true then yep I am in agreement. You basically checkmate your own staff coach with coaches. I am sorry but thats unforgivable in a billion dollar business.

Lets say they have to go kiss some McCarthy behind and beg, then MM needs to ask for Mrs. B to attend the interview and ask her directly for the control he wants. Maybe Gayle is at all interviews that I do not know. If she is then its a much larger issue with this team.

 

[Rexman100]

I'll go with this report.

People are reaching with this "he's not an alpha male" report.

Neither is Mike McDaniel and he's a pretty good coach.

To get around that, coaches would use other coaches to be the emotional leader. Sean Payton used Joe Vitt, we all wondered why he survived so long.,, When Vitt did finally go, Dan Campbell was that guy. I suspect Rizzi is that guy now. But IMO, it’s best if your HC is that guy.

 

[St. Widge]

If the Saints hire Rizzi that really tells me something. If Rizzi is your guy you wouldn't have let some coaches get away, especially Kubiak, would you? Surely, Rizzi wouldn't want Kubiak getting away and then having to bring someone in with a new offense, as Kubiak's is the best option for Carr, and for stability on offense. Letting coaches go to other teams was to me a clear indication that the Saints were moving on from Rizzi and possibly the entire current coaching staff. Right now, one would think that if it isn't Moore, it's going to be McCarthy... Edit: ... and just because I said that they will hire either Kafka or Weaver.

FWIW, Underhill said in his latest pod that he thinks Rizzi would have wanted a new OC anyway and would not have kept Kubiak.