Saints Kurt Coleman was a liability... I wish him well, but glad he's gone (1 Viewer)

[ndcc]

1. Kurt Coleman played in all 16 games. We were so strapped that he actually started in 9 of those game.

2. He had 22 solo tackles; 10 assists. Just wasn't around the ball enough.

3. Dude had ZERO passes defended; zero int's.

4. Zero sacks.

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5. Nice guy; great veteran experience, but not what we needed. Great locker room guy, and coach on the sidelines... but he was yet another wet firecracker we've gotten at the safety position. On a positive note, Vonn Bell stepped it up last season.

 

[MV2]

Stats don't always measure a players impact. We saw Vonn Bell step up this year and the other guy who played his position was none other than Coleman. Was it the veterans knowledge of the game or Bell feeling like the signing of Coleman was a sign that they weren't sure about him?

I'm not sure either way, maybe it's a bit of both. I can't say how much of a liability he was since he really didn't play much as the season progressed. Our secondary really didn't miss significant time so maybe just the snaps in relief was missed. Regardless, the signing was not a good one for us and I'm hoping that we do sign a safety with this good crop of FA's and I surely hope we don't miss again!

 

[0rion]

I tend to think something in our game plan or coaching limits what our safeties can do. I just feel we should be getting better safety play overall. I like Coleman and don't really blame him for less than stellar stats....the same can be said about all our safeties. I think it's scheme or coaching related.

 

[dutar76]

The only complaint that any of us can really have, is that we overpaid for him. We brought him in immediately after the free agency period started, when nobody knew safeties would come dirt cheap.

Then Vonn Bell makes an unexpected year 3 leap and our secondary stays healthy for the first time in forever, and Coleman was relegated to less than 40% +/- of our defensive snaps. Not sure if he'd have done much better with more snaps, it's possible.

Regardless, he was there if we needed him, and I'm sure he helped our young developing safeties. Not a bad hire, just an over pay, that's all

 

[JustaSharkie]

Coleman was a great teammate, apparently. I just never cared for is tackling "style" for lack of a better term. He was one of those shoulder-tacklers; he would throw a shoulder at a ball carrier in an attempt to knock him off balance and then get called down-by-contact instead of a fundamentally sound wrap-up tackle. It made me nuts when he did it.

 

[B-Train]

I concur with everyone above in that he seems like a great dude, but the Saints paid WAY more than was necessary for him. And frankly, that's not even a hindsight thing... A lot of people (myself included) were scratching their heads at the deal when it first happened last year.

 

[SaintsFan742]

He had 32 total tackles; however, I remember him missing at least 10 because of terrible angles and technique. Not good stats at all.

 

[saint_drago]

I tend to think something in our game plan or coaching limits what our safeties can do. I just feel we should be getting better safety play overall. I like Coleman and don't really blame him for less than stellar stats....the same can be said about all our safeties. I think it's scheme or coaching related.

This. I've been thinking about that as well. Our Safeties don't make many plays. Is that because they aren't very good or is this scheme just not conducive to big plays from Safeties?

I'd like to think that it was the scheme but good/great Safeties find a way to make plays no matter the scheme. They just have a nose for the ball.

By the time Darren Sharper made it to NOLA he wasn't the fastest or most athletic player on the field but he had instincts. Brian Dawkins probably ran a 4.6 but he played much faster because of his instincts. Same with Ed Reed.

Last season there would be long stretches where you'd forget that Marcus Williams was even on the field. Seemed like he was always out of position. Maybe that can be corrected. Maybe not. We'll see.

 

[Slaw]

This. I've been thinking about that as well. Our Safeties don't make many plays. Is that because they aren't very good or is this scheme just not conducive to big plays from Safeties?

I'd like to think that it was the scheme but good/great Safeties find a way to make plays no matter the scheme. They just have a nose for the ball.

By the time Darren Sharper made it to NOLA he wasn't the fastest or most athletic player on the field but he had instincts. Brian Dawkins probably ran a 4.6 but he played much faster because of his instincts. Same with Ed Reed.

Last season there would be long stretches where you'd forget that Marcus Williams was even on the field. Seemed like he was always out of position. Maybe that can be corrected. Maybe not. We'll see.

I think Marcus is our only safety with a "nose for the ball" as far as interceptions. Bell has it in the run game. Marcus didn't make as many plays as he did as a rookie, but "sophomore slumps" are common, especially for players who have stellar rookie seasons. Marcus still flashed his ability in 2018, and I expect him to have his best season yet in 2019. If that happens, he will be one of the best safeties in the league, because his 2017 season was that good.

Marshon is in the same boat. Both he and Marcus regressed a little with their greatest assets. Playmaking (interceptions) for Marcus. Blanket coverage for Marshon. I expect both to be near the top of the league in year 3.

 

[ndcc]

I think Marcus is our only safety with a "nose for the ball" as far as interceptions. Bell has it in the run game. Marcus didn't make as many plays as he did as a rookie, but "sophomore slumps" are common, especially for players who have stellar rookie seasons. Marcus still flashed his ability in 2018, and I expect him to have his best season yet in 2019. If that happens, he will be one of the best safeties in the league, because his 2017 season was that good.

Marshon is in the same boat. Both he and Marcus regressed a little with their greatest assets. Playmaking (interceptions) for Marcus. Blanket coverage for Marshon. I expect both to be near the top of the league in year 3.

I agree with you, Slaw.

Sophomore slump is NOT uncommon. It happens when an athlete has a stellar 1st year, and then gets a lot of love & press coverage saying that they are all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips.

It's especially true with QB's. In fact, IIRC, Dan Marino is the only pro bowl caliber QB that didn't have a noticeable dropoff in year 2.

I believe that Marshon & Marcus Williams will bounce back big time. Let's hope that our acquisitons in the offseason, along with full healing of our injured warriors, bring the Saints to the promised land in the 2019/20 season.

Who Dat!!!!!