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Mickey Loomis once humorously compared Dennis Allen to one of the most successful coaches of the Super Bowl era, Bill Belichick. At the time, Loomis was trying to illustrate that Hall of Fame careers aren’t always apparent from the start, pointing out the similar records between Allen and other legendary coaches.

As a fellow Saints fan who was deeply frustrated with how many things were being handled, I initially laughed off the comparison. How could Loomis even suggest such a ridiculous notion? But it wasn’t until I casually listened to Bill Belichick on the Pat McAfee Show, discussing his success relative to Andy Reid's, that I began to see things in a different light.

I started to realize just how much luck plays a role in an organization's success. The Patriots were fortunate to land Brady. We were lucky to get Brees. The Chiefs might have stolen our luck by grabbing Mahomes, but these situations were also driven by having great coaches ready to capitalize on them. These circumstances were further bolstered by GMs who excelled in their field.

When one of these key components is missing, stagnation is inevitable. Just look at Mike Tomlin. Look at Sean Payton post-Brees.

So if I judge Allen based on what he's done without Drew, it’s actually quite similar to what Tomlin, Belichick, and even Andy Reid have managed without their elite quarterbacks. They missed the playoffs. They struggled. Yet, despite these struggles, I have to respect the fact that Allen continues to field elite defenses, and has done so for nearly a decade, regardless of what the offense contributes.

Too many quality coaches are let go simply because they can’t secure an elite QB, and far too much blame is placed on them for that. The reality is that a great coach doesn’t always have the luxury of coaching a top-five QB, and that shouldn’t undermine their value or accomplishments.

So why would you fire a master defensive architect just because you don’t have a top-five QB? How is that his fault? Additionally, I must credit Allen for actively trying to secure a competent QB for us. There’s honor in the attempt, even if it doesn’t pan out. Carr wouldn’t be here without Allen’s efforts. He is trying! I absolutely love what he’s done by bringing in Kubiak, who was involved in drafting Spencer. So from Loomis down the line, the organization has led us to a promising QB. It's also worth noting that this is truly the first year entirely under the Allen regime.

When we do locate our QB , I think we have the right foundation to return to the forefront of the league.
Until then , we need to accept the reality that we don’t have a Drew Brees—at least not until the next one comes along. Fortunately for us, I believe we’ve found our next torchbearer.

Regardless, Allen and Loomis deserve a bit more credit and patience from us.

Let the boos begin !
 
Wow...that's an interesting, well-written post. QBs do have an outsized impact on NFL success. What's more confounding is how hard is to be get one -- at best a 50/50 shot with a draft choice and it takes 2-3 years to find out if you've picked the wrong guy. The Saints are still a level below the Tier One SB contenders but more elite defensive play or an unexpected Carr monster year is not completely inconceivable. I still think it's more likely that we have to wait to get an elite/top 5 QB to win another SB. Maybe that's Rattler in a few years.

And I'm with you - let's give Loomis and DA some rope. Our first six games are pretty tough - hopefully not Carolina - but if we don't start decently, I'm sure the doubters will be out well before the end of the season.
 
We will be okay. We will rely on what made this team successful in the past. Playing great defense and drafting playmakers. Sooner or later it will all average out.
Wow...that's an interesting, well-written post. QBs do have an outsized impact on NFL success. What's more confounding is how hard is to be get one -- at best a 50/50 shot with a draft choice and it takes 2-3 years to find out if you've picked the wrong guy. The Saints are still a level below the Tier One SB contenders but more elite defensive play or an unexpected Carr monster year is not completely inconceivable. I still think it's more likely that we have to wait to get an elite/top 5 QB to win another SB. Maybe that's Rattler in a few years.

And I'm with you - let's give Loomis and DA some rope. Our first six games are pretty tough - hopefully not Carolina - but if we don't start decently, I'm sure the doubters will be out well before the end of the season
 
Mickey Loomis once humorously compared Dennis Allen to one of the most successful coaches of the Super Bowl era, Bill Belichick. At the time, Loomis was trying to illustrate that Hall of Fame careers aren’t always apparent from the start, pointing out the similar records between Allen and other legendary coaches.

As a fellow Saints fan who was deeply frustrated with how many things were being handled, I initially laughed off the comparison. How could Loomis even suggest such a ridiculous notion? But it wasn’t until I casually listened to Bill Belichick on the Pat McAfee Show, discussing his success relative to Andy Reid's, that I began to see things in a different light.

I started to realize just how much luck plays a role in an organization's success. The Patriots were fortunate to land Brady. We were lucky to get Brees. The Chiefs might have stolen our luck by grabbing Mahomes, but these situations were also driven by having great coaches ready to capitalize on them. These circumstances were further bolstered by GMs who excelled in their field.

When one of these key components is missing, stagnation is inevitable. Just look at Mike Tomlin. Look at Sean Payton post-Brees.

So if I judge Allen based on what he's done without Drew, it’s actually quite similar to what Tomlin, Belichick, and even Andy Reid have managed without their elite quarterbacks. They missed the playoffs. They struggled. Yet, despite these struggles, I have to respect the fact that Allen continues to field elite defenses, and has done so for nearly a decade, regardless of what the offense contributes.

Too many quality coaches are let go simply because they can’t secure an elite QB, and far too much blame is placed on them for that. The reality is that a great coach doesn’t always have the luxury of coaching a top-five QB, and that shouldn’t undermine their value or accomplishments.

So why would you fire a master defensive architect just because you don’t have a top-five QB? How is that his fault? Additionally, I must credit Allen for actively trying to secure a competent QB for us. There’s honor in the attempt, even if it doesn’t pan out. Carr wouldn’t be here without Allen’s efforts. He is trying! I absolutely love what he’s done by bringing in Kubiak, who was involved in drafting Spencer. So from Loomis down the line, the organization has led us to a promising QB. It's also worth noting that this is truly the first year entirely under the Allen regime.

When we do locate our QB , I think we have the right foundation to return to the forefront of the league.
Until then , we need to accept the reality that we don’t have a Drew Brees—at least not until the next one comes along. Fortunately for us, I believe we’ve found our next torchbearer.

Regardless, Allen and Loomis deserve a bit more credit and patience from us.

Let the boos begin !
THANK
YOU!

Without DA we’d be bottom feeders. His defenses are the strength of this team.

We didn’t blame Sean for the bad defenses over the years because he was the “offensive coach” but DA doesn’t get the same rope.

DA has been here for nearly 20 years. His secondary helped us win a Super Bowl.

I don’t judge any coach from their time with the dang RAIDERS when Terrell Pryor is your QB. And his defense in Denver was so good that Tim Tebow won a playoff game.

People don’t put enough respect on DA’s name at all.
 
Mickey Loomis once humorously compared Dennis Allen to one of the most successful coaches of the Super Bowl era, Bill Belichick. At the time, Loomis was trying to illustrate that Hall of Fame careers aren’t always apparent from the start, pointing out the similar records between Allen and other legendary coaches.

As a fellow Saints fan who was deeply frustrated with how many things were being handled, I initially laughed off the comparison. How could Loomis even suggest such a ridiculous notion? But it wasn’t until I casually listened to Bill Belichick on the Pat McAfee Show, discussing his success relative to Andy Reid's, that I began to see things in a different light.

I started to realize just how much luck plays a role in an organization's success. The Patriots were fortunate to land Brady. We were lucky to get Brees. The Chiefs might have stolen our luck by grabbing Mahomes, but these situations were also driven by having great coaches ready to capitalize on them. These circumstances were further bolstered by GMs who excelled in their field.

When one of these key components is missing, stagnation is inevitable. Just look at Mike Tomlin. Look at Sean Payton post-Brees.

So if I judge Allen based on what he's done without Drew, it’s actually quite similar to what Tomlin, Belichick, and even Andy Reid have managed without their elite quarterbacks. They missed the playoffs. They struggled. Yet, despite these struggles, I have to respect the fact that Allen continues to field elite defenses, and has done so for nearly a decade, regardless of what the offense contributes.

Too many quality coaches are let go simply because they can’t secure an elite QB, and far too much blame is placed on them for that. The reality is that a great coach doesn’t always have the luxury of coaching a top-five QB, and that shouldn’t undermine their value or accomplishments.

So why would you fire a master defensive architect just because you don’t have a top-five QB? How is that his fault? Additionally, I must credit Allen for actively trying to secure a competent QB for us. There’s honor in the attempt, even if it doesn’t pan out. Carr wouldn’t be here without Allen’s efforts. He is trying! I absolutely love what he’s done by bringing in Kubiak, who was involved in drafting Spencer. So from Loomis down the line, the organization has led us to a promising QB. It's also worth noting that this is truly the first year entirely under the Allen regime.

When we do locate our QB , I think we have the right foundation to return to the forefront of the league.
Until then , we need to accept the reality that we don’t have a Drew Brees—at least not until the next one comes along. Fortunately for us, I believe we’ve found our next torchbearer.

Regardless, Allen and Loomis deserve a bit more credit and patience from us.

Let the boos begin !
DA even said when Kay Adams tried to give him some credit for his elite defenses, he passed it onto the players, emphasizing more than once, that it’s a players league. (So he’s stating it’s players like DD and Cam and Latt that gave him his success.) Even so, I think he’s being modest, because we’ve seen many times a simple addition of a new Dc can show Immediate results, (Gregg Williams).
 
Almost all of the fingerprints of SP on this organization are gone. This is completely Allen's team from the assistant coaches to the draft picks. Loomis and Allen have no more excuses but to point the finger at themselves if the Saints don't make a run in the playoffs this year.
 
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good post OP
I think a good many of us believe and/or been taught to believe that we have more control over our life than we do - either through our personal abilities, et al or some other guiding hand
then with something like professional sports, which are entirely complex, we seek to simplify them to enjoy them
I think it'd be better for all of us if we acknowledged the chaos moreso than imagine control that's not really there
 
DA even said when Kay Adams tried to give him some credit for his elite defenses, he passed it onto the players, emphasizing more than once, that it’s a players league. (So he’s stating it’s players like DD and Cam and Latt that gave him his success.) Even so, I think he’s being modest, because we’ve seen many times a simple addition of a new Dc can show Immediate results, (Gregg Williams).
Darren Sharper is the name of the difference. not Gregg Williams.
 
Darren Sharper is the name of the difference. not Gregg Williams.
He did make a huge difference, but Gregg Williams was known as a defensive genius way before DS. For the record, when we hired GW it prompted me to buy season tickets for the first time ever.
 
So was rex ryan, but Rex didn't have a Darren Sharper here.
 
Mickey Loomis once humorously compared Dennis Allen to one of the most successful coaches of the Super Bowl era, Bill Belichick. At the time, Loomis was trying to illustrate that Hall of Fame careers aren’t always apparent from the start, pointing out the similar records between Allen and other legendary coaches.

As a fellow Saints fan who was deeply frustrated with how many things were being handled, I initially laughed off the comparison. How could Loomis even suggest such a ridiculous notion? But it wasn’t until I casually listened to Bill Belichick on the Pat McAfee Show, discussing his success relative to Andy Reid's, that I began to see things in a different light.

I started to realize just how much luck plays a role in an organization's success. The Patriots were fortunate to land Brady. We were lucky to get Brees. The Chiefs might have stolen our luck by grabbing Mahomes, but these situations were also driven by having great coaches ready to capitalize on them. These circumstances were further bolstered by GMs who excelled in their field.

When one of these key components is missing, stagnation is inevitable. Just look at Mike Tomlin. Look at Sean Payton post-Brees.

So if I judge Allen based on what he's done without Drew, it’s actually quite similar to what Tomlin, Belichick, and even Andy Reid have managed without their elite quarterbacks. They missed the playoffs. They struggled. Yet, despite these struggles, I have to respect the fact that Allen continues to field elite defenses, and has done so for nearly a decade, regardless of what the offense contributes.

Too many quality coaches are let go simply because they can’t secure an elite QB, and far too much blame is placed on them for that. The reality is that a great coach doesn’t always have the luxury of coaching a top-five QB, and that shouldn’t undermine their value or accomplishments.

So why would you fire a master defensive architect just because you don’t have a top-five QB? How is that his fault? Additionally, I must credit Allen for actively trying to secure a competent QB for us. There’s honor in the attempt, even if it doesn’t pan out. Carr wouldn’t be here without Allen’s efforts. He is trying! I absolutely love what he’s done by bringing in Kubiak, who was involved in drafting Spencer. So from Loomis down the line, the organization has led us to a promising QB. It's also worth noting that this is truly the first year entirely under the Allen regime.

When we do locate our QB , I think we have the right foundation to return to the forefront of the league.
Until then , we need to accept the reality that we don’t have a Drew Brees—at least not until the next one comes along. Fortunately for us, I believe we’ve found our next torchbearer.

Regardless, Allen and Loomis deserve a bit more credit and patience from us.

Let the boos begin !
“Carr wouldn’t be here without Allen’s efforts.”

This is the point! We shouldn’t have signed him for that money. We were betting against ourselves. He should’ve had his staff look into a young QB in the draft and groom him. It would help with our cap and soft rebuild. Paying Carr 150 million when no other team would, was DA’s mistake. Carr should’ve been a 1/2 year deal max. But he wasn’t and they will ultimately cost DA his job and cost us a really good DC.
 

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