Neo Nazi and his GF Arrested for Plotting to Destroy Baltimore Power Grid (1 Viewer)

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Neo-Nazi and girlfriend arrested for allegedly plotting attack on power grid

Mr Russell allegedly said he wanted to wait for a winter storm to attack the power grid

www.independent.co.uk

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

We are so lucky that the Nazis of today aren't as competent as their idols.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

We are so lucky that the Nazis of today aren't as competent as their idols.

I wouldn't be so quick to make that claim, sadly. Thankfully, federal law enforcement was able to intervene because I'm not sure FL law enforcement has neo nazis as a high priority.

 

[Saintman2884]

We are so lucky that the Nazis of today aren't as competent as their idols.

I would hardly classify Adolf Hitler as some highly-intelligent person, or top-rate intellectuals (remember, Hitler despised intellectuals, since he viewed them as being left-leaning, socially liberal types who made up the SPD or KPD left-wing parties he cracked down on within his first two years in office). If there were any true intellectuals, master, highly-skilled manipulators who could cleverly and skillfully maneuver power and be capable to craft the Nazis messages idealogically, and then also push it through, either pragmatically or forcefully, then they would be Joseph Goerrbels, Herman Goerring, and to a certain extent, Heinrich Himmler, and his deputy, Reinhardt Heinrich. Goerring was actually the original founder and leader of the SS, and Gestapo, before he ceded those responsibilities away to run the German Luftwaffe. Goerbels, before the rise of the Nazis and Hitler, came from a wealthy, influential family, but was disliked by his siblings and school friends for his often-harsh criticism and cutting remarks. He flirted with Marxism in his youth and one of his closest friends was a Communist and his long-boiling, deep-seated hatred of Jews, Slavic-speaking minorities, as well as his own German nationalism, and how it tied into most Germans' dislike and opposition to the terms of the Versailles Treaty kind of intensified after he worked a series of dead-end jobs like a bank-teller, he also believed that German Jewish-owned bookstores and publishing companies were deliberately preventing his literary career from succeeding by not endorsing or publishing his works.


If the Nazi top-tier hierarchy were to have a true intellectual among its ranks, then Georbels was that man and perhaps, to a lesser extent, Albert Speer, since his successful career as an architect, inter-war, was sort of seen by Hitler as the kind of career he could've had if he had succeeded as an artist. And based on some newer primary sources, the general view among many WWII-era historians and German historians is that Hitler never liked Georbels and saw him as a necessary evil and that his role and influence in creating domestic and foreign policy has always been over-stated.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

I would hardly classify Adolf Hitler as some highly-intelligent person, or top-rate intellectuals (remember, Hitler despised intellectuals, since he viewed them as being left-leaning, socially liberal types who made up the SPD or KPD left-wing parties he cracked down on within his first two years in office). If there were any true intellectuals, master, highly-skilled manipulators who could cleverly and skillfully maneuver power and be capable to craft the Nazis messages idealogically, and then also push it through, either pragmatically or forcefully, then they would be Joseph Goerrbels, Herman Goerring, and to a certain extent, Heinrich Himmler, and his deputy, Reinhardt Heinrich. Goerring was actually the original founder and leader of the SS, and Gestapo, before he ceded those responsibilities away to run the German Luftwaffe. Goerbels, before the rise of the Nazis and Hitler, came from a wealthy, influential family, but was disliked by his siblings and school friends for his often-harsh criticism and cutting remarks. He flirted with Marxism in his youth and one of his closest friends was a Communist and his long-boiling, deep-seated hatred of Jews, Slavic-speaking minorities, as well as his own German nationalism, and how it tied into most Germans' dislike and opposition to the terms of the Versailles Treaty kind of intensified after he worked a series of dead-end jobs like a bank-teller, he also believed that German Jewish-owned bookstores and publishing companies were deliberately preventing his literary career from succeeding by not endorsing or publishing his works.


If the Nazi top-tier hierarchy were to have a true intellectual among its ranks, then Georbels was that man and perhaps, to a lesser extent, Albert Speer, since his successful career as an architect, inter-war, was sort of seen by Hitler as the kind of career he could've had if he had succeeded as an artist. And based on some newer primary sources, the general view among many WWII

I never said anything about intelligence.

Competence and intelligence are only tangentially connected.

 

[Saintman2884]

I never said anything about intelligence.

Competence and intelligence are only tangentially connected.

I would also contend that from the end of 1942 to Germany's ultimate surrender in May 1945, Hitler's own competency and skills in running the country, economy, a two-front war was highly questionable. The Nazi bureaucrat who really should be credited with raising and exceeding German munition and military production quotas(albeit with foreign slave laborers and millions of Jewish concentration camp prisoners) and production rates was Albert Speer. If one closely examines color home-movie documentaries or black-and-white news shots of Hitler's physical and mental appearance even two years before the war ended, in the summer of 1943, he looks sick, beaten down, a mentally and physically frail man whos being given almost two dozen medications by Dr. Theodor Morel daily to keep him functioning and oh BTW, that hand-shaking tremors really get bad and more problematic mid-1943 onwards which was his Parkinson's getting worse.

Honestly, if we're going to do an ad-hoc physical examination of Hitler's deteriorating health problems circa. summer of 1943, I'd say his body had maybe 5 years tops, maybe less before he ended up having a devastating stroke, or cerebral hemorrhage which severely limits or hampers his ability to run a highly-industrialized, complex modern state.

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

“Mr Russell met Ms Clendaniel while they two were incarcerated at different prisons. The former, the founder of the violent neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, had been arrested for possessing bombmaking materials, and the latter had been robbing convenience stores with a machete.”

Feel like this also belongs in the FloridaMan thread, too.

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

I would hardly classify Adolf Hitler as some highly-intelligent person, or top-rate intellectuals (remember, Hitler despised intellectuals, since he viewed them as being left-leaning, socially liberal types who made up the SPD or KPD left-wing parties he cracked down on within his first two years in office). If there were any true intellectuals, master, highly-skilled manipulators who could cleverly and skillfully maneuver power and be capable to craft the Nazis messages idealogically, and then also push it through, either pragmatically or forcefully, then they would be Joseph Goerrbels, Herman Goerring, and to a certain extent, Heinrich Himmler, and his deputy, Reinhardt Heinrich. Goerring was actually the original founder and leader of the SS, and Gestapo, before he ceded those responsibilities away to run the German Luftwaffe. Goerbels, before the rise of the Nazis and Hitler, came from a wealthy, influential family, but was disliked by his siblings and school friends for his often-harsh criticism and cutting remarks. He flirted with Marxism in his youth and one of his closest friends was a Communist and his long-boiling, deep-seated hatred of Jews, Slavic-speaking minorities, as well as his own German nationalism, and how it tied into most Germans' dislike and opposition to the terms of the Versailles Treaty kind of intensified after he worked a series of dead-end jobs like a bank-teller, he also believed that German Jewish-owned bookstores and publishing companies were deliberately preventing his literary career from succeeding by not endorsing or publishing his works.


If the Nazi top-tier hierarchy were to have a true intellectual among its ranks, then Georbels was that man and perhaps, to a lesser extent, Albert Speer, since his successful career as an architect, inter-war, was sort of seen by Hitler as the kind of career he could've had if he had succeeded as an artist. And based on some newer primary sources, the general view among many WWII-era historians and German historians is that Hitler never liked Georbels and saw him as a necessary evil and that his role and influence in creating domestic and foreign policy has always been over-stated.

Hitler was quite intelligent of course in a very sick, twisted sort of way. He saw through the facade of Western democratic institutions, adeptly exploiting their weaknesses and distaste for another European war. He also ignored pushback from his general staff which was generally opposed to certain operations such as the invasion of France. It worked for a while but the Third Reich bit off way more than they could handle when they underestimated and invaded the Soviet Union.

 

[Madmarsha]

“Mr Russell met Ms Clendaniel while they two were incarcerated at different prisons. The former, the founder of the violent neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, had been arrested for possessing bombmaking materials, and the latter had been robbing convenience stores with a machete.”

 

[Semper]

I was talking to a friend about something like this last week. He said fixing something like this would be extremely time consuming and expensive. What the hell is wrong with people…

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

I would also contend that from the end of 1942 to Germany's ultimate surrender in May 1945, Hitler's own competency and skills in running the country, economy, a two-front war was highly questionable. The Nazi bureaucrat who really should be credited with raising and exceeding German munition and military production quotas(albeit with foreign slave laborers and millions of Jewish concentration camp prisoners) and production rates was Albert Speer. If one closely examines color home-movie documentaries or black-and-white news shots of Hitler's physical and mental appearance even two years before the war ended, in the summer of 1943, he looks sick, beaten down, a mentally and physically frail man whos being given almost two dozen medications by Dr. Theodor Morel daily to keep him functioning and oh BTW, that hand-shaking tremors really get bad and more problematic mid-1943 onwards which was his Parkinson's getting worse.

Honestly, if we're going to do an ad-hoc physical examination of Hitler's deteriorating health problems circa. summer of 1943, I'd say his body had maybe 5 years tops, maybe less before he ended up having a devastating stroke, or cerebral hemorrhage which severely limits or hampers his ability to run a highly-industrialized, complex modern state.

Sure, but he is still miles more competent than any Nazi we have in the US today.

It seems like you mistook me mocking our Nazi's as a complement for the WWII Nazis. I didn't mean it that way.

 

[Eeyore]

I wouldn't be so quick to make that claim, sadly. Thankfully, federal law enforcement was able to intervene because I'm not sure FL law enforcement has neo nazis as a high priority.

You can't expect them to police themselves

 

[Saintman2884]

Hitler was quite intelligent of course in a very sick, twisted sort of way. He saw through the facade of Western democratic institutions, adeptly exploiting their weaknesses and distaste for another European war. He also ignored pushback from his general staff which was generally opposed to certain operations such as the invasion of France. It worked for a while but the Third Reich bit off way more than they could handle when they underestimated and invaded the Soviet Union.

Herman Goering actually opposed Operation Barbarossa because he was beginning to see and correctly understand the limitations of how effective and competent his Luftwaffe could actually be in terms of strategic bombing raids, bombing cities, terror bombings, like the Blitz, Goering told Allied interrogators at Nuremberg that strategically, while Battle of Britain may have been a symbolic victory for the RAF, numerically, it was closer to being a draw. But if Luftwaffe couldn’t knock the British out of the war via air supremacy, how in the hell is it going to fair any better against the Soviet Air Force, the worlds largest at the time? Goering tried telling Hitler and his generals this and how the vast Russian terrain would show the limits of German Blitzkrieg attacks that had worked so well in France and Western Europe, still they didn’t listen.

Josef Goerbels actually opposed the outbreak of war, too.

 

[CoolBrees]

Fantastic summation

But it is Goebbels, no ‘R’

Does that make me a grammar Nazi?

I will see my self out.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A white supremacist who plotted to destroy the Baltimore power grid, believing doing so would “break down society”, is facing up to twenty years in prison.

Sarah Beth Clendaniel, 36, pleaded guilty on Tuesday to conspiring to “lay this city to waste” by damaging or destroying electrical facilities in Maryland.

Clendaniel worked with a co-defendant and another person on the plot which would have seen them shoot up multiple electrical substations to cut off the power to the city, in order to push for “societal and governmental collapse”.


Prosecutors say that the Catonsville woman and Brandon C Russell, from Florida, became acquaintances in 2018 when they were both serving jail time in separate prisons.

According to the Department of Justice, both believe in a white supremacist ideology called “accelerationism”, which means they see the current system as irreparable unless violent action is taken.…….

White supremacist who plotted attack on Maryland power grid pleads guilty

Prosecutors say that Sarah Beth Clendaniel believed the violence was necessary to push for societal collapse

www.independent.co.uk