Saints Cap Moves: Derek Carr restructured, Erik McCoy restructured; J. Williams released; cap space is at -$8,543,537 (118 Viewers)

[Taker597]

Even more that there was an opportunity for both sides to separate but Moore didn’t want that. Unreal. If he’s not going to be here after this year, why keep him?

It really is a weird situation to say the least.

 

[StudioSaint]

Interesting that Carr was pushing to be cut/traded but Moore wanted to keep him.

I think "explore the market" means he wanted to see what his market value was before actually renegotiating the contract, similar to what Stafford and the Rams did. I don't think it necessarily means Carr wanted to leave the team. He might have wanted to leave, but he might have just wanted to find out his market value before doing a new contract.

 

[Taker597]

Why do people think a high pick QB is a sure thing QB.

We haven't drafted a 1st round QB since 1971. The longest active drought in the NFL. How did that work out for us till 2006?

You probably won't ever see a HOF QB entering their prime come available again in your lifetime.

That just leaves drafting one.

 

[Taker597]

I think "explore the market" means he wanted to see what his market value was before actually renegotiating the contract, similar to what Stafford and the Rams did. I don't think it necessarily means Carr wanted to leave the team. He might have wanted to leave, but he might have just wanted to find out his market value before doing a new contract.

That's an interesting argument. I can see that.

 

[StudioSaint]

That 100% sounds like caving. You wanted to keep Carr on a pay cut. He refused said pay cut. You restructure and give him all his money.

Please provide a link to Loomis, or anyone else on the Saints staff, saying they wanted Carr to take a paycut.

Triplett, Underhill, other repeaters and a lot of fans here wanted Carr to take a paycut, but as far as I know, not a single person who works for the Saints said they expected Carr to take a paycut.

A lot of assumptions with very little to zero substance to substantiate it.

 

[B4YOU]

OTC has updated info. I hate that we rolled all 30M to next year. I was hoping for a 20M push with a Jordan/Hill restructure/retirement.

 

[Taker597]

 

[Tulsa Saint]

I think "explore the market" means he wanted to see what his market value was before actually renegotiating the contract, similar to what Stafford and the Rams did. I don't think it necessarily means Carr wanted to leave the team. He might have wanted to leave, but he might have just wanted to find out his market value before doing a new contract.

I wonder what Geno and Darnold get

Will it be 45-50 mil avg?

 

[StudioSaint]

That's an interesting argument. I can see that.

It's a possibility. It's also a possibility that Carr wanted to move on.

 

[nakadish]

Aside from the financial ramifications, this is the other part people just fail to want to accept. Our coach, who has watched actual film and has a better idea than anyone how Carr’s game could translate, actually wants the player, and the player is not as bad as he’s characterized as.

Like what makes this player so god awful to where people are acting like they want to jump off a bridge behind this news? Like we just gave the worst QB in the history of the league a new guaranteed $50 million a year deal or something.

He ate at Chipotle.

 

[StudioSaint]

I wonder what Geno and Darnold get

Will it be 45-50 mil avg?

It's possible Carr's current contract is good value relative to the current market.

 

[Elvis]

OTC has updated info. I hate that we rolled all 30M to next year. I was hoping for a 20M push with a Jordan/Hill restructure/retirement.

We didn't roll all $30 million, we rolled all $40 million. He had a $10 million roster bonus that got restructured and that is why his cap number is league minimum base plus his prorated signing bonus. They kicked every bit of that can they could get their foot on. Even Grupe would be impressed with Loomis' foot.

 

[Snakehead]

If CKM wants to roll with Carr, then we roll with Carr. It's as simple as that. He's already said he builds his offense to the strengths of his players. Carr is on the roster and better than any rookie would be coming in, so it was a pretty easy decision.

I trust CKM'S opinion of a QB over any poster on here no matter how many different ways they say Carr sucks or his teammates hate him. All he has to do is win and people will change their opinion.

Carr is not the answer long term, but he's the bridge for now. Now that we know who the QB will be for 2025 and probably 2026, the FO can focus on building the team around him to move forward.

 

[nakadish]

So what does Alvin’s tweet mean?

Maybe it means that he's snowboarding?

Just because it's cryptic doesn't mean that it's hateful.

 

[texasjefe]

Reality: It was going to be 2027 when the cap is cleaned up, to not be an albatross. I've said that all along.

Good news: The decision's been made, the team can move forward. Fanbase too. You hope Moore + Carr will improve Carr and normalize away his annual shirtshow persona. Remember, Carr does not go to the playoffs and Carr does not beat good teams. He hits a bomb TD alot in games, but not much more. He is not mobile and Moore will want mobil e in the future. We're not rehashing the 'is Carr responsible for that or someone else/other things?' We have a career of data that no Carr apologist can refute. The new variable is Moore.

Good news: They got the contract under better control with the $10M cap savings over dead cap if they jettison his butt out of here in a year.

People's assumptions: This could've simply been a this year or next year business decision. I would not assume things like..

'Moore WANTED Carr,'

'we're loading up for bear on Free Agency - the new cap space may just have been a necessity, not a luxury.' We'll see soon.

'Saints and /or Carr seriously negotiated other options, the pay cut, extension, etc.. Frankly, good for Carr helping Mickey to just make a clean decision and restructure, with no impact beyond 2026.

'we're drafting a QB early in April draft' - let's just see how the roster changes further by Wednesday, and in FA which will immediately follow.'

Twitter: @St. Geezy , if you're gonna punch down on Saints twitter, at least embed some tweets so we can see who and what you're referring to. The fact that you go after them like that alot sounds like a you-problem. Such that you don't know what you're doing on twitter like Taker. I, and others do, -- i.e. which Saints media/fans to read and/or spend your time with - and which ones to reflexively filter out.