Saints Saints drafting a QB in round 1? Child, please! (1 Viewer)

[ndcc]

Some will open this thread and neg-rep without reading it. But for most others, who will at least read the narrative below, I offer eight reasons why the Saints will go for other options in the early rounds:

1. Jameis had. 15:4 td to int ratio last season in 7 games (not too shabby).

2, Mrs. Gayle Benson has nothing but high praise for Jameis, who has done AND said all the right things to endear himself to the Saints’ owner. Also, all of the core leaders on the Saints see Jameis as a positive influence and a true leader on the team.

3. We sorely need a top-flite OT, and a solid #2 WR opposite CGM… far more than we need a QB.

4. This year’s QB talent in the draft aren’t exactly day-one athletes such as: Marino, Burrow, Mahommes, nor are they Brady-esque. Some draft scouts have gone on record to say that they see NO 1st round quality QB’s in the 2022 draft.

5. The open, widely publicized move by the Saints to interview Corral and others is an absolutely BRILLIANT move. It will likely go down as the most well orchestrated smoke screen in the history of the NFL draft. Teams behind the Saints, who are looking for a QB, May be willing to give up a lot of draft capital in order to move up. No way to know for certain if it will pan out that way… but wouldn’t put hard cash against it.

6. Jameis, a former Heisman trophy winner and one of only a handful of NFL QB’s who have thrown for 5,000+ yds in a single season, is only 28 yrs old (and an 8-yr. veteran).

7. Jameis has already demonstrated his ability to go through his progressions quickly, is accurate in short, intermediate and deep routes, has the right “touch,” and can make ALL the throws with the right timing.

8. Drew Brees has gone on record saying that he believes Jameis is the right man to lead the Saints going forward.

Again, I believe this smokescreen will help position the Saints to land great non-QB choices in the early rounds!

WhoDat!

 

[Taker597]

The louder the QB draft talks get... The less likely I believe in them actually drafting a QB this year.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I'm dying at the child please. I'll say it like this...if they can move up for a QB they will, if they can't they'll happily take 3 picks in the top 50. Besides I don't think the "tough conversations" Dennis Allen had with Jameis Winston were about how he's the future QB of this franchise moving forward.

Here's a quote from Jameis in particular.

“There were a bunch of tough conversations that I had with our coaches and with the people on the business side of everything,” Winston said, “and I know if their pursuit of Deshaun didn’t happen, I would not have been able to have that growth and those conversations with those people in important roles, so I’m actually thankful that everything turned out how it did because we did have to have some tough conversations, we did have to have conversations that probably I didn’t want to have or that they didn’t want to have.

The above isn't a ringing endorsement that you're our QB of the future, nor is the contract he signs. Do I think Jameis is QB #1 yes, but I also think the Saints drafting a QB is rather fluid and possible if you take things for face value.

 

[dtc]

I'm dying at the child please. I'll say it like this...if they can move up for a QB they will, if they can't they'll happily take 3 picks in the top 50. Besides I don't think the "tough conversations" Dennis Allen had with Jameis Winston were about how he's the future QB of this franchise moving forward.

Here's a quote from Jameis in particular.

“There were a bunch of tough conversations that I had with our coaches and with the people on the business side of everything,” Winston said, “and I know if their pursuit of Deshaun didn’t happen, I would not have been able to have that growth and those conversations with those people in important roles, so I’m actually thankful that everything turned out how it did because we did have to have some tough conversations, we did have to have conversations that probably I didn’t want to have or that they didn’t want to have.

The above isn't a ringing endorsement that you're our QB of the future, nor is the contract he signs. Do I think Jameis is QB #1 yes, but I also think the Saints drafting a QB is rather fluid and possible if you take things for face value.

Except that there is nothing even close to Deshaun Watson in this year's QB draft options.

 

[BIGSAINTSFAN]

Some will open this thread and neg-rep without reading it. But for most others, who will at least read the narrative below, I offer eight reasons why the Saints will go for other options in the early rounds:

1. Jameis had. 15:4 td to int ratio last season in 7 games (not too shabby).

2, Mrs. Gayle Benson has nothing but high praise for Jameis, who has done AND said all the right things to endear himself to the Saints’ owner. Also, all of the core leaders on the Saints see Jameis as a positive influence and a true leader on the team.

3. We sorely need a top-flite OT, and a solid #2 WR opposite CGM… far more than we need a QB.

4. This year’s QB talent in the draft aren’t exactly day-one athletes such as: Marino, Burrow, Mahommes, nor are they Brady-esque. Some draft scouts have gone on record to say that they see NO 1st round quality QB’s in the 2022 draft.

5. The open, widely publicized move by the Saints to interview Corral and others is an absolutely BRILLIANT move. It will likely go down as the most well orchestrated smoke screen in the history of the NFL draft. Teams behind the Saints, who are looking for a QB, May be willing to give up a lot of draft capital in order to move up. No way to know for certain if it will pan out that way… but wouldn’t put hard cash against it.

6. Jameis, a former Heisman trophy winner and one of only a handful of NFL QB’s who have thrown for 5,000+ yds in a single season, is only 28 yrs old (and an 8-yr. veteran).

7. Jameis has already demonstrated his ability to go through his progressions quickly, is accurate in short, intermediate and deep routes, has the right “touch,” and can make ALL the throws with the right timing.

8. Drew Brees has gone on record saying that he believes Jameis is the right man to lead the Saints going forward.

Again, I believe this smokescreen will help position the Saints to land great non-QB choices in the early rounds!

WhoDat!

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. WINSTON HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO LEAD THIS TEAM. WE AS FANS SHOULD GET BEHIND HIM

 

[Pensacola]

Three important people must “walk the walk” in the 2022 season.

Based on there decisions and outcomes, my oh my what interesting threads await us all on SSF!

1) Jameis Winston, who I feel is very much capable after completing his 2 year internship (along with the addition of a few more talented players). It’s time for Big Jaboo to take control and lead our Saints to a top five, top ten offense! With another strong defense on the opposite side, and the NFC not the force it once was, Saints could do some serious marching!

2) Dennis Allen, who needs, however necessary, to keep the wins rolling in New Orleans. He’s watched and observed Sean from a close distance for a long time. Can he, will he take the passing baton and keep the core fundamentals and leadership in sync., and

3) Mickey Loomis, who needs to pull out a big 2017 like draft heist to help energize his long established success. Much invested already with the Philly trade; moreover, without the comfort of a Super Bowl winning coach by his side and the continual financial limitations.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Strongly disagree with point 7, having said that I’m hopeful we don’t take a QB in the first, and agree with the rest of the post.

 

[whiteshadowen]

Some will open this thread and neg-rep without reading it. But for most others, who will at least read the narrative below, I offer eight reasons why the Saints will go for other options in the early rounds:

1. Jameis had. 15:4 td to int ratio last season in 7 games (not too shabby).

2, Mrs. Gayle Benson has nothing but high praise for Jameis, who has done AND said all the right things to endear himself to the Saints’ owner. Also, all of the core leaders on the Saints see Jameis as a positive influence and a true leader on the team.

3. We sorely need a top-flite OT, and a solid #2 WR opposite CGM… far more than we need a QB.

4. This year’s QB talent in the draft aren’t exactly day-one athletes such as: Marino, Burrow, Mahommes, nor are they Brady-esque. Some draft scouts have gone on record to say that they see NO 1st round quality QB’s in the 2022 draft.

5. The open, widely publicized move by the Saints to interview Corral and others is an absolutely BRILLIANT move. It will likely go down as the most well orchestrated smoke screen in the history of the NFL draft. Teams behind the Saints, who are looking for a QB, May be willing to give up a lot of draft capital in order to move up. No way to know for certain if it will pan out that way… but wouldn’t put hard cash against it.

6. Jameis, a former Heisman trophy winner and one of only a handful of NFL QB’s who have thrown for 5,000+ yds in a single season, is only 28 yrs old (and an 8-yr. veteran).

7. Jameis has already demonstrated his ability to go through his progressions quickly, is accurate in short, intermediate and deep routes, has the right “touch,” and can make ALL the throws with the right timing.

8. Drew Brees has gone on record saying that he believes Jameis is the right man to lead the Saints going forward.

Again, I believe this smokescreen will help position the Saints to land great non-QB choices in the early rounds!

WhoDat!

1. Nine of those td passes were in 2 games. In the 5 TD game against GB, he had 149 yds passing. One of the TD's was a 55 yarder. So he had less than a 100 yds the rest of the game. Four of those 7 games he had less than 150 yards passing. His season high was 279 yds. 3 games less than 55% completion. Season completion % only 59%. We all have our own set of standards, but I am leaning more towards average at best in today's NFL passing game.
2. Most people say and do the things to endear themselves to the person signing the paychecks. It is a terribly disfunctional locker room that speaks poorly of their team-mates, especially their quarterback.
3. We do have holes at OT and WR, I would not say that OT is a gaping hole. Hurst has played well and the plan I think is for Ram to move to LT. Most teams do not have two elite tackles, usually one top guy at LT and a decent one at RT. I personally think OG is weaker. Peat coming back may help that. Personally disappointed we have not signed a FA guard to at least compete.
4. I don't share belief that this years QB is as weak as that. I think Corral's release is elite level and would not be surprised if he is first QB drafted. I also like Howell, Pickett and Ridder. I think they all have a chance to be NFL starters. I am not as bought in on Willis. Hindsight is a great perspective.
5. I agree that there is a lot of misdirection every year, but that is serious exaggeration to say "most well orchestrated smoke screen in the history of the NFL draft". That was pretty funny and well-played. I do agree the NFL world should revolve around us though. 100%
6. Those are all facts. Another fact is that in 2019 (5000+ season) he led the league in pass attempts and in interceptions and was 26th in QB rating
7. I will agree that he improved in all of those categories in 2021, but still would not call him accurate.
8. See point two. Drew is not going to throw any teammate under the bus.

 

[duckjr78]

Is there a quarterback in this draft that is a “good bet” to be demonstrably better than Jameis Winston over the next 10 years? And that equation includes that QB being without the two players that the Saints could pick in the first round this year?

I really just don’t see it.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

Is there a quarterback in this draft that is a “good bet” to be demonstrably better than Jameis Winston over the next 10 years? And that equation includes that QB being without the two players that the Saints could pick in the first round this year?

I really just don’t see it.

Who knows? I am sure the Saints have put a lot of work in scouting the players and have a better idea than any of us or any internet "gurus." Personally, I would not want them to trade up for a QB, but I am sure they have a plan.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

4. This year’s QB talent in the draft aren’t exactly day-one athletes such as: Marino, Burrow, Mahommes, nor are they Brady-esque. Some draft scouts have gone on record to say that they see NO 1st round quality QB’s in the 2022 draft.

No one, knew those guys would be what they became, other than Burrow.

 

[VinSaint]

Some will open this thread and neg-rep without reading it. But for most others, who will at least read the narrative below, I offer eight reasons why the Saints will go for other options in the early rounds:

1. Jameis had. 15:4 td to int ratio last season in 7 games (not too shabby).

2, Mrs. Gayle Benson has nothing but high praise for Jameis, who has done AND said all the right things to endear himself to the Saints’ owner. Also, all of the core leaders on the Saints see Jameis as a positive influence and a true leader on the team.

3. We sorely need a top-flite OT, and a solid #2 WR opposite CGM… far more than we need a QB.

4. This year’s QB talent in the draft aren’t exactly day-one athletes such as: Marino, Burrow, Mahommes, nor are they Brady-esque. Some draft scouts have gone on record to say that they see NO 1st round quality QB’s in the 2022 draft.

5. The open, widely publicized move by the Saints to interview Corral and others is an absolutely BRILLIANT move. It will likely go down as the most well orchestrated smoke screen in the history of the NFL draft. Teams behind the Saints, who are looking for a QB, May be willing to give up a lot of draft capital in order to move up. No way to know for certain if it will pan out that way… but wouldn’t put hard cash against it.

6. Jameis, a former Heisman trophy winner and one of only a handful of NFL QB’s who have thrown for 5,000+ yds in a single season, is only 28 yrs old (and an 8-yr. veteran).

7. Jameis has already demonstrated his ability to go through his progressions quickly, is accurate in short, intermediate and deep routes, has the right “touch,” and can make ALL the throws with the right timing.

8. Drew Brees has gone on record saying that he believes Jameis is the right man to lead the Saints going forward.

Again, I believe this smokescreen will help position the Saints to land great non-QB choices in the early rounds!

WhoDat!

1. To be fair, Jameis also had a few of those TDs bailed out by the WR because he basically threw it up for grabs (I know for sure one was in week 1 vs the Packers). He got away with a few of those last year before his injury but those were the exact same things he did in Tampa that often went the other way. Call this luck even-ing out a bit for the guy.

2. What would you expect her to say? He's a nice guy, courteous and respectful. His teammates in Tampa also said the exact same things about him and they never went higher than 8-8 with him at the helm.

3. I agree. We do need those positions as well but QB is also still a huge need too, IMO.

4. Draft experts are completely wrong every single year about players. Sooo much of their success depends on where a player ends up and the way his teammates and the organization responds to them being there. I mean, Jerry Rice would not have put up the numbers he did in his career had he been drafted by the Saints (or probably anywhere else for that matter) instead of SF.

5. I agree with you here. There is no way for us to know for certain because we aren't in these meetings.

6. This is the draw to Jameis. He's a vet who is still relatively young. It's also what makes him maddeningly frustrating to have on your team too because at this point, you expect better results in the W-L column.

7. Accurate is not a word I would use to describe him. I don't recall many, if any, games last year where his numbers bore that out either. If Brees is the measuring stick for accuracy, then I'd say Jameis would be near the bottom of the list of current starters he compares to.

8. Again, what would you expect him to say when reporters ask him? Brees is the consummate professional and like so many other players, thought Jameis was a helluva good guy.

To be clear, I'm not a Jameis hater. I'm just not sold on him being the long term answer beyond this season. In fact, I'd be outright shocked if he is the Saints starters for the 2023 season. If I'm wrong, it's because he lit it up this year and I'd be perfectly ok with being wrong about that.

 

[tomwaits]

I have been thinking about the QB potential and here are 2 points to consider on both sides of the spectrum.
Personally, I want the Saints to stick with JW and not draft a QB this year.

1. The vast majority of 1st round QB's drafted in NFL history were not as good as JW
2. If you don't draft a QB at all, there is 100% chance you will not get a QB better than JW seeing you didn't draft a QB.

Taking these 2 points into consideration, the Saints have to look at the crop of QBs this year and determine what the likelihood is of one of these QBs being better than what we have and what is the risk/reward ratio in giving up picks that could be used on other positions (that also have no guarantee on how they will pan out) to pick on of this year's QBs. I'm not an NFL scout, but when I look at these guys, the reward potential does not justify the risk potential.

 

[Eman5805]

Except that there is nothing even close to Deshaun Watson in this year's QB draft options.

If Deshaun Watson was considered close to Deshaun Watson as a prospect, he wouldn't have gone 12th overall. He'd have been picked #2 overall right after Mahomes.

 

[SWJJ]

The impression that the saints want a QB will trigger other teams wanting a QB to go get QBs earlier in the round. This will allow someone like cross or penning to fall to us at 16 and Williams or Olave at 19.

This year is gonna be LIT!