Update Saints to interview Mike McCarthy at the end of this week, 1/26-2/1 per Underhill [Underhill: McCarthy would have to be the current favorite] (229 Viewers)

[Saint Jack]

This is a different version of the same debate I had with someone over SB winning coaches going elsewhere…

Most head coaches fail. To extrapolate out a certain segment of those failures and say they failed “because of X background” isn’t fair and ignores that fact.

It’s not just a certain group.
It’s amateur coaches thinking they’re professionals.

 

[St. Geezy]

It’s not just a certain group.
It’s amateur coaches thinking they’re professionals.

They’re not “Amateur coaches.” They’re ball coaches that are coaching amateurs.

There’s a difference.

 

[St. Widge]

It’s not just a certain group.
It’s amateur coaches thinking they’re professionals.

Many NFL coaches started off coaching in college and/or played in college. They all have to make the transition to the NFL at some point. Some do it earlier than others and I think it's easier to learn to coach in the NFL by being an NFL assistant rather than trying to go from college HC to NFL HC, but as the college game gets closer to the NFL game with kids making large sums of money, I think you may end up with more college coaches that can make the transition. Plus, it seems that the NFL keeps incorporating more and more pieces of college offensive schemes into the NFL.

I'm still highly skeptical of any college coach being a good NFL head coach, but it does happen.

 

[Saint Jack]

They’re not “Amateur coaches.” They’re ball coaches that are coaching amateurs.

There’s a difference.

When the vast majority of cfb coaches go to the pros, they fail.
That makes them amateurs.

 

[St. Geezy]

When the vast majority of cfb coaches go to the pros, they fail.
That makes them amateurs.

The vast majority of all coaches fail.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Patriots went w/ Vrabel/McDaniels
Jets are going w/ Glenn

That's two teams that have went back to the future in some way. If were looking at themes and energy it would absolutely make sense for the Saints to bring back a former OC in McCarthey

I'd be ok w/ it.

He's offensive minded - Check
Has a history of winning - Check
Experienced - Check
Can get the most out of QB talent - Check

I don't care that he's not young, or that he has previous ties to the organization, and the rest of the cackamami reasons for why he shouldn't be hired.

Cowboys players hate that he's gone, that's enough for me.

 

[Saint Jack]

The vast majority of all coaches fail.

And the rate is even higher with CFB coaches!

 

[St. Geezy]

And the rate is even higher with CFB coaches!

Is it? Let’s see your data.

 

[Belfast Saint]

When the vast majority of cfb coaches go to the pros, they fail.
That makes them amateurs.

If you get paid millions of dollars to do a job, you are not an amateur.

 

[Rexman100]

But, but, we have Carr and Ratt. Why isn't that attractive?

if you have the physical tools then the question is : do you have the mental? Ratt, imo, has the mental. Remember what Drew Brees looked like after taking a monster sack, or completing a deep shot, or handing off the ball? The answer is: the same. (really think about it) From one play to the next, he was a robot optically. Carr doesn't give me that robotic invincible-mentally vibe. (Carr is good/great even, but he's not an invincible robot. Against elite competition, (KC game 2024) Carr sometimes checks out, that game was lost before it started) Rattler gives me that vibe of mental strength more than Carr. Thats not to say Rattler wont make mistakes. But he seems to have it upstairs. I think everyone knows it too, and we always knew it. (thats why you sit Carr for the last 7 games, regardless of Carr injury status. We all knew Carr could've played at least the last two games) Imo, he was sat in an effort to accelerate Rattlers growth. Rattler just needs a ton of film study, once he settles in, becoming a Pro, on and off the field, then we'll (or some other team) will have their franchise QB. I think year 3 or 4 will be Rattlers year. Jayden Daniels, what makes him different than others, is not that he can run and throw, its that his mental approach from game to game is the same Robotic like, calm cool and collected, and its not fake, its him. The offense Rattler ran this year barely relied on his arm talent. It relied on the run & setting up a pass (after the D adjusts to stop the run) Jayden was given free reign, pass first, and if the reads arent there, he could just run it. I say that to say, maybe Rattler thrives more in another offensive system. (im still working on this theory )

 

[Saint Jack]

If you get paid millions of dollars to do a job, you are not an amateur.

CFB is viewed as the amateurs.
The vast majority of college coaches fail at the pro level.
The NCAA calls themselves amateurs.
College coaches are amateurs.

Ain’t nothing wrong with being a college coach, but they’re not professionals.

 

[DaveXA]

CFB is viewed as the amateurs.
The vast majority of college coaches fail at the pro level.
The NCAA calls themselves amateurs.
College coaches are amateurs.

Ain’t nothing wrong with being a college coach, but they’re not professionals.

They're paid like professionals though. Maybe not compared to NFL coaches, but certainly more than most professionals outside of football.

 

[Heathen Saint]

Seems like McCarthy is likely to be our guy.

I'm fine with it. We need a solid offensive resurgence.

 

[Saint Jack]

Seems like McCarthy is likely to be our guy.

I'm fine with it. We need a solid offensive resurgence.

MM will give the franchise 5-6 years of some much needed stability.

 

[St. Geezy]

CFB is viewed as the amateurs.
The vast majority of college coaches fail at the pro level.
The NCAA calls themselves amateurs.
College coaches are amateurs.

Ain’t nothing wrong with being a college coach, but they’re not professionals.

Are failed NFL coaches amateurs? Are failed NFL head coaches better than the best college football coaches? Are the en vogue young coaches in their 30s more professional, better than the “amateur” Nick Saban?

They’re all ball coaches. Just because you coach young, non-professional level men doesn’t make you yourself an amateur.