Teachers Salary (1 Viewer)

[ridgeben]

I have a question for you.

When the government raises teachers salaries every year in an effort to improve our schools, are they saying that if we pay our teachers more they will do a better job? Thus saying they are holding back and not doing all they could be now.

Or are they saying our teachers are bad and if we pay more we will get better ones to move here from out of state?
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[Complex Kid]

There saying that if we pay what other states pay their teachers then the teachers that are actually from here will want to stay here and not move out of state (more specific to Texas) like almost ever single teacher that I know from college.

 

[taygolf]

here is the problem with teachers salary.

If you are a great teacher you get a certain raise every year based on how long you have been a teacher.


If you are a good teacher you get a certain raise every year based on how long you have been a teacher


If you are a bad teacher you get a certain raise every year based on how long you have been a teacher.


IF you were a teacher how much effort would you put into your job after you have done enough not to get fired.

I hate to say it but that is messed up. The great teachers should be rewarded with better raises than the bad. This will encourage them to do a better job and teach their kids more. How you would decide who is great,good, and bad would be another thing.

Do you get a certain raise no matter how you preform at your job?? I get my raises by doing good work and working hard everyday.

Also if you break down how much a teacher gets per hour you would be suprised how much they get paid. IT is pretty high


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[ridgeben]

There saying that if we pay what other states pay their teachers then the teachers that are actually from here will want to stay here and not move out of state (more specific to Texas) like almost ever single teacher that I know from college.

So then it is choice number two. They are saying our teachers are bad and that we need the ones that left to come home?

 

[iron error]

So then it is choice number two. They are saying our teachers are bad and that we need the ones that left to come home?

on the surface this is a supply and demand thing.

the reality is that if you are a teacher, you have to have a passion for it to be a good one, and money does not buy your passion.

 

[superchuck500]

So then it is choice number two. They are saying our teachers are bad and that we need the ones that left to come home?

I don't think its that static. It's a much more fluid situation - one that is looked at in the macro.

If the salaries are greater, the profession is more attractive to talented people who might otherwise make more money in other professions. Sure, there are committed lifetime professional teachers that are going to teach either way. But with lower salaries, some that are in the profession may eventually seek to go elsewhere when they aren't making the kind of living they would like. Raising salaries helps retain existing teachers and drives interest from others who want to become teachers. Then, at that point, the school system is able to better select teachers based on merit rather than the fact that the teacher is willing to accept the low pay.

That's kind of the idea. You can't look at it as a snapshot.

 

[ridgeben]

I don't think its that static. It's a much more fluid situation - one that is looked at in the macro.

If the salaries are greater, the profession is more attractive to talented people who might otherwise make more money in other professions. Sure, there are committed lifetime professional teachers that are going to teach either way. But with lower salaries, some that are in the profession may eventually seek to go elsewhere when they aren't making the kind of living they would like. Raising salaries helps retain existing teachers and drives interest from others who want to become teachers. Then, at that point, the school system is able to better select teachers based on merit rather than the fact that the teacher is willing to accept the low pay.

That's kind of the idea. You can't look at it as a snapshot.

I see where you are going with this, and partially agree. But at some level, our state IS saying that our teachers are subpar, and we must increase pay to get better ones...

 

[superchuck500]

yes. i think you're right.

but do you disagree? i think its a pretty demonstrable fact in our economy/society that higher pay attracts stronger applicants.

 

[ridgeben]

yes. i think you're right.

but do you disagree? i think its a pretty demonstrable fact in our economy/society that higher pay attracts stronger applicants.

I agree, I think its smart to pay teachers.

Let me ask you this.. Do you think if Louisiana paid teachers 80k a year that we would have the number 1 school system? Top 10? Top 25? Do you think it would raise us any at all?

I contest that if we took our worst schools (test score wise) like Glen Oaks or Warren Easton, and said that next year every teacher at this school will make 100k, that it wouldnt make a bit of difference.

Its a parental problem...

 

[superchuck500]

I think you're right that it's far more complicated than teacher pay. But on that same point, it isn't just "a parental problem." It really is a multi-headed monster.

But I bet that if you did go to those schools, pay the teachers a good bit more, but also focus on better facilities, with better programs and assets, and a focus on new methods to ensure parental participation - and stuck with it long enough to give it a real chance - you might see some change.

I think you're right that simply raising pay isn't going to do much. You have to attack a multi-faceted problem with a multi-faceted solution. But you have to start somewhere. There places all around this country where dedicated, creative individuals implemented innovative, multi-faceted solutions with great success. Education has always sort of been that way. The real hall-of-famers in the world of education were people who approached problems in education with innovative new ideas.

 

[atceagle]

I would say if they advertised that their teachers would be making 100k for 07-08 and that every job is open to the best candidate(meaning no current teacher is guaranteed a position), I would bet my house the test scores would improve.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I would say if they advertised that their teachers would be making 100k for 07-08 and that every job is open to the best candidate(meaning no current teacher is guaranteed a position), I would bet my house the test scores would improve.

- Exactly. Great pay coupled with strong regional and national recruiting could give NOLA the best school system in the country. Think about that for a second- wouldn't that be something?? Worst to first, kind of like the Saints... The problem is that the leaders of the Saints think a lot more progressively and beyond-the-box than the leaders of the city... Back to the pay/recruiting thing- I believe we instituted something like that in the NOPD in the 90s under Pennington and it worked well for a while......

 

[ridgeben]

I would say if they advertised that their teachers would be making 100k for 07-08 and that every job is open to the best candidate(meaning no current teacher is guaranteed a position), I would bet my house the test scores would improve.

You really think that if we took the best 40 teachers from Texas, or whichever state is the best, and put them at the school with the absolute worst kids (scores) that those kids would suddenly be the best, or even significantly better?

I guess I am a pessimist, but I just dont see kids from bad parental situations turning around due to highly paid teachers. I guess I am saying that unless you get some really hot, middle aged woman to work miracles in the classroom (michelle pfeiffer), socioeconomics, and parental involvement make all the difference, not teacher pay..

 

[mr.t]

I am a teacher, and I am satisfied with what I make. I get off all summer and the major holidays. I work from 6:30 to 2:45 M-F, and I spend about one hour a day with homework. I use my time wisely during my planning period, so I do not have to take my work home. I also tutor 4 or 5 kids a week making decent wages. We do lose a lot of young teachers who go out of state, especially to Texas. Unfortunately, we lose a lot more young teachers to poorly run schools and inept school boards. I always say that if you do not like your pay or your job, do not sign your contract. IMHO, a pay raise would be nice, but it will not make me a better teacher. The person and their school atmosphere make for a better educator.

 

[ridgeben]

I am a teacher, and I am satisfied with what I make. I get off all summer and the major holidays. I work from 6:30 to 2:45 M-F, and I spend about one hour a day with homework. I use my time wisely during my planning period, so I do not have to take my work home. I also tutor 4 or 5 kids a week making decent wages. We do lose a lot of young teachers who go out of state, especially to Texas. Unfortunately, we lose a lot more young teachers to poorly run schools and inept school boards. I always say that if you do not like your pay or your job, do not sign your contract. IMHO, a pay raise would be nice, but it will not make me a better teacher. The person and their school atmosphere make for a better educator.

I applauded your attitude... And I agree with you completely..