The underling reality.... (1 Viewer)

[State Of Affairs]

Here's my take on the Saints... They are a precision team unlike the Falcons who are a neanderthal, club you over the head team... The thing about it is the precision team has a much higher ceiling but the neanderthal team will be more consistent because of the simplicity of it all..

If in the exact situation as the Saints were, I think Atlanta wins against the Bucks yesterday simply cuz it's much easier and takes much less focus to execute their style...

The Saints, on the other hand, need FOCUS to execute their style and it was obvious to me that they did not have this focus yesterday and many games this year...

Having said that, you can see the focus when the lights come on... Particularly against Pitt and Atl on national TV.. I believe the Saints have a beast within... I believe that there is and extra 25% that showed most of last season but only showed a handfull of times this year... I believe, not by a gut feeling but on recent history and performance that the Saints didn't have the focus and their precision offense didn't click..... but when the lights are on, the focus is there, we will see the extra 25% that only came out this year when they absolutely had to have it...

All the Saints need to do is clean up the mistakes and they can repeat as champs... They clean up the mistakes by being mentally focused, a focus that all teams have when everything matters like the playoffs but like Drew says, you bring your best and we'll bring our best and we'll win cuz our best is better....

Now sleep well all you "sky is falling" fans and "we just whooped you" Tampa fans.. You're about to see a whole different level of football...

 

[AceD]

I agree with much of this, we do have amazing potential and can play far better than our average when focused. With reference to our style versus Atlanta, that point has been made on here on many occassions. However, consistent play is important- especially this time of year.

I do disagree with that premise that the lights will magically come on now that it is do or die time. I would like to think this, I think we all would, but there is ample evidence otherwise. We essentially have been in do or die mode for 10 weeks, as we barely made the playoffs (had we finished one game worse we would have been out) and were on the cusp/bubble for 5-6 weeks, between the Cleveland and really the St. Louis game. We didn't play anything better than our "C" game at any point during that stretch. We didn't play an "A" game on anyone of our national, primetime telecasts. We played decent to good during that stretch and it was good enough to win those games against some pretty inferior opponants, but it will take elevated play 4 weeks in a row in the playoffs.

We need to find our balance, I know we all want a NYG, NE, or Arizona performance but this team may not have one in them. Without a running game, we have too much consistent pressure on our QB's, are forced to move the ball deliberately instead of explosively, and produce too many TO's. We look like the 07-08 Saints with a better defense, to be honest with you. Even then, we wear our defense down some games by putting them out on the field too often if we aren't clicking on 3rd down due to being so one dimensional.

 

[State Of Affairs]

I agree with much of this, we do have amazing potential and can play far better than our average when focused. With reference to our style versus Atlanta, that point has been made on here on many occassions. However, consistent play is important- especially this time of year.

I do disagree with that premise that the lights will magically come on now that it is do or die time. I would like to think this, I think we all would,

I feel ya man cuz I would argue with anyone that says the light just comes on... I just feel like part of the superbowl hangover is the inability to "get up" for "meaningless games" I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's human nature to have let downs.. You play in the greatest game in the world, superbowl, then go play the browns... Hard to get up...

My facts point directly at every single big game we've played this season under the lights of national TV... We played our best football..

Drew plays sharper, bush runs harder... The defense plays better...

I completely agree that consistency is very important. u need the right type of People to run such a complicated offense, it's mentally taxing... It takes much less focus to run left run right, play action pass... In our offense... U have all the formations and the pass protections for all the passing we do.. It's all precise... You pass as much as we do, u have to be exact, everyone must do their job every play...

All I'm trying to sell is Saints focus more in big games n that their best is better then the other teams best.. I feel like there is history to support my "big game focus" theory.. I'm not saying this is my "gut" feeling.

 

[Muncie]

The reality for underlings is that they are underpaid and have to listen/bow down to the desires of unreasonable overlings.

 

[State Of Affairs]

The reality for underlings is that they are underpaid and have to listen/bow down to the desires of unreasonable overlings.

I'm at Waffel house posting on my iPhone.. Why is it that guys like you have to be a smart XXX instead of saying "hey, i think you meant underlying" and your response isn't even clever...

 

[SebaSaint]

I'm at Waffel house posting on my iPhone.. Why is it that guys like you have to be a smart XXX instead of saying "hey, i think you meant underlying" and your response isn't even clever...

But his title is clever.

 

[blackadder]

On offense I would like some nimble Neandethals up front and precision players at the skill positions.

It would be nice to play physically and grind up clock and yards on the ground then use Brees to pick the moments to hut you downfield like a true surgeoun.

Seems like we should be able to have that.

 

[Guitarzan]

Here's my take on the Saints... They are a precision team unlike the Falcons who are a neanderthal, club you over the head team... The thing about it is the precision team has a much higher ceiling but the neanderthal team will be more consistent because of the simplicity of it all..

If in the exact situation as the Saints were, I think Atlanta wins against the Bucks yesterday simply cuz it's much easier and takes much less focus to execute their style...

The Saints, on the other hand, need FOCUS to execute their style and it was obvious to me that they did not have this focus yesterday and many games this year...

Having said that, you can see the focus when the lights come on... Particularly against Pitt and Atl on national TV.. I believe the Saints have a beast within... I believe that there is and extra 25% that showed most of last season but only showed a handfull of times this year... I believe, not by a gut feeling but on recent history and performance that the Saints didn't have the focus and their precision offense didn't click..... but when the lights are on, the focus is there, we will see the extra 25% that only came out this year when they absolutely had to have it...

All the Saints need to do is clean up the mistakes and they can repeat as champs... They clean up the mistakes by being mentally focused, a focus that all teams have when everything matters like the playoffs but like Drew says, you bring your best and we'll bring our best and we'll win cuz our best is better....

Now sleep well all you "sky is falling" fans and "we just whooped you" Tampa fans.. You're about to see a whole different level of football...

This team has 5 defeats this season, 4 of those were from self-inflicted wounds. That's it. Stop beating ourselves and we can win 4 in a row in convincing fashion.

 

[Sarcastic]

I do disagree with that premise that the lights will magically come on now that it is do or die time. I would like to think this, I think we all would, but there is ample evidence otherwise.

Really? Quick scan of 2009 and 2010 primetime games, playoffs, and Super Bowl including this year's NFC contenders. I may have missed one or two games.

New Orleans: 10-1
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Philly: 7-3
Green Bay: 5-5
Atlanta: 2-2
Chicago: 3-4
Seattle: 1-0 (lame)

Weird. It seems the light DOES just magically come on. Does it mean anything that the combined score of those 11 games is 303-185? What if I said that we're 5-0 this year when nationally televised but 6-5 on Sunday afternoon? Some teams really do turn it on when it matters, and the Saints are one of them.

 

[SaintCloud]

Here's my take on the Saints... They are a precision team unlike the Falcons who are a neanderthal, club you over the head team... The thing about it is the precision team has a much higher ceiling but the neanderthal team will be more consistent because of the simplicity of it all..

If in the exact situation as the Saints were, I think Atlanta wins against the Bucks yesterday simply cuz it's much easier and takes much less focus to execute their style...

The Saints, on the other hand, need FOCUS to execute their style and it was obvious to me that they did not have this focus yesterday and many games this year...

Having said that, you can see the focus when the lights come on... Particularly against Pitt and Atl on national TV.. I believe the Saints have a beast within... I believe that there is and extra 25% that showed most of last season but only showed a handfull of times this year... I believe, not by a gut feeling but on recent history and performance that the Saints didn't have the focus and their precision offense didn't click..... but when the lights are on, the focus is there, we will see the extra 25% that only came out this year when they absolutely had to have it...

All the Saints need to do is clean up the mistakes and they can repeat as champs... They clean up the mistakes by being mentally focused, a focus that all teams have when everything matters like the playoffs but like Drew says, you bring your best and we'll bring our best and we'll win cuz our best is better....

Now sleep well all you "sky is falling" fans and "we just whooped you" Tampa fans.. You're about to see a whole different level of football...

As a fan of the Falcons first, and then the Saints, I actually agree with your first assessment. It is probably the most objective post I've seen that mentions both teams in 5 or 6 weeks.

 

[AceD]

You got to read the thread Who Dat, this has nothing to do with last season. There is little doubt that we turned it on under the spotlights then.

With regards to this season, we didn't play well against Minn, we didn't play well after the first quarter against Dallas, we needed 4 TO's to beat SF, we struggled in many areas against Atlanta (while playing phenomenal on D, granted). We did play some of our best football of the season in the 2nd half of Pitt, after being disjointed in the first.

 

[State Of Affairs]

lol

You see, now that is funny and clever!!! Lol

I don't guess anyone has any interest in discussing my topic... Umm thanks spelling police... We're a much better forum now that we understand the relationship between underlings n overlings n such... I missed the whole lord of the rings thing.. :-/

 

[SAINTS 12]

This team has 5 defeats this season, 4 of those were from self-inflicted wounds. That's it. Stop beating ourselves and we can win 4 in a row in convincing fashion.

Finally someone gets it,some of us has said this all year,If The Saints quit turning the ball over theres not a team in the NFL that can beat them....

 

[Muncie]

I'm at Waffelhouse posting on my iPhone.. Why is it that guys like you have to be a smart XXX instead of saying "hey, i think you meant underlying"

I don't guess anyone has any interest in discussing my topic... Umm thanks spelling police... We're a much better forum now that we understand the relationship between underlings n overlings n such... I missed the whole lord of the rings thing.. :-/

 

[Saint Droopy]

I think the Saints were "vanilla" on both sides of the ball yesterday. yeah they spread the formations out, but it just seemed like they were running simple plays as they would during a 7-on-7.

The defense didn't do anything "out of the ordinary" neither... relying on fundamentals rather than displaying a wide-array of formations and blitzes.

Should be fun to see how GW and SP calls these playoff games. Seattle can't run the ball offensively nor can they stop the run defensively... I hope PT and Ivory will be able to go next week because we'll need to run the ball against their poor run defense.