Underhill: Saints are interviewing probably 12 coaches [Tracker: 7 scheduled interviews] (21 Viewers)

[Mr. Sparkle]

Do you trust a man who smacks when he chews gum and carries cue cards in his back pocket like he’s some scrabble magician?!?! Man couldn’t even fire a dude who lost 7 straight games. I’m done trusting or defending that dude

I watched that clip again from last year and it still amazes me. So bad. The Airline Drive cabal is in dire need of a shakeup.

 

[St. Widge]

Davis Webb? LOL. Really? A guy who played QB as a backup who's career lasted 6 years, transitioned to QB coach for two years and now we're interviewing him for head coach? WTF are we doing? Loomis is either trolling or he's lost his marbles. Even interviewing Chase Daniels would make more sense then this guy.

Same overreaction every time a rumor starts about a questionable guy being interviewed and then Underhill has to kill the story. People so badly want Loomis to be completely incompetent that they will believe anything anyone says.

 

[sfidc3]

LOL and when you accuse me of making things up and I post a link backing up what I said you just ignore it. Pot calling the kettle black much??

I'll repost this so maybe you'll get it
The definition of treading water is:

• fail to advance or make progress.
  "men who are treading water in their careers"
  In the 5 yrs before Mahomes became the starter Reid won ONE playoff game. He had some good to great seasons but never got past the divisional round.
  The yr PM was the starter he made it to the AFCCG
  What's your definition of treading water?
  Again I think Reid is a very good HC but I stand by " Treading Water"

If you define "treading water" as....... In their 11 seasons under Andy Reid, the Chiefs have nine consecutive playoff seasons and eight consecutive division titles.....

The Chiefs the year before he got there were 2-14....his 1st year they were 11-5 and in the playoffs.....Utterly and totally ridiculous.....like most of your nonsensical ramblings....

When Reid's career is over he will be in the discussion of GOAT.....

 

[Dallas_Saint73]

Davis Webb is a legend at my kid's high school, lol. He was a QB there. Cade York is from there as well.

That said, I don't think he's a good fit for HC at the moment.

 

[Doug B]

Why not 3 time UFL (USFL) champion coach Skip Holtz? J/k, but go Stallions! (He’s actually been a phenomenal coach)

I don't know if anyone here used to post on the OLD Nolalive.com text-only Saints message board. This was around the year 2000, around when Ditka was fired and Haslett was hired. Yeah, that far back.

Anyway, back then, Skip Holtz used to post regularly to that message board. I forgot his username, but he outed himself a few times. He kind of had the same role there that TCU Dan does here.

 

[Saint KayBee]

Davis Webb? LOL. Really? A guy who played QB as a backup who's career lasted 6 years, transitioned to QB coach for two years and now we're interviewing him for head coach? WTF are we doing? Loomis is either trolling or he's lost his marbles. Even interviewing Chase Daniels would make more sense then this guy.

who’s Chase Daniels?

In a less pedantic sense - we should know by now that it makes no sense to hold a former QB’s playing career against him. The best coaches are often your career backup, journeyman types who maybe spot-started here and there. Hall-of-Famers (I playfully suggested an approved blogger here write up a “Drew Brees For Head Coach?” article) at the position usually don’t even want such a job and don’t do well at it when called.

Best coach in Saints history? Sean Payton, picket-crossing scab whose NFL playing career was those three games. The guy everyone looking for a coach wants to come coach their team? Ben Johnson, TJ Yates’ backup at North Carolina, never wore an NFL uniform for money. OC of Saintsreport’s preseason Super Bowl favorite? Zac Robinson, a 7th round draft pick, zero career starts, once served as backup to Charlie “Clipboard Jesus” Whitehurst! Another name I’ve seen as a potential HC is Kellen Moore, 0-2 in his NFL starts, more INTs than TDs. Even current OC Klint Kubiak is the son of a career backup who has a winning record as a head coach, and appeared in 119 NFL games… most of them as the holder for kicks. He started 5 games, of which the Broncos won 3.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

Same overreaction every time a rumor starts about a questionable guy being interviewed and then Underhill has to kill the story. People so badly want Loomis to be completely incompetent that they will believe anything anyone says.

There were several reports that I saw about Webb. I think Nick is doing the organization's "clean up" when info comes out. Funny that Webb and Shaw were reported on Nick is the one that comes out and squashes it. Wonder if these are situations where those guys' agents are trying to drum up interest or where Saints tried but were rebuffed.

 

[Hedon James]

I dont agree w/ that. Ireland is still over college scouting, and the personnel scouting is who found MVS, McCovern, and CEH from the scrap heap during a trying season. Loomis has plenty of people in place in front of him that are good at those things.

Just say you don't trust Loomis and leave it at that.

Good points. Fair enough. Those all seemed like good mid-season finds, and if I'm gonna recite my issues with the wasted picks trading up, and the lack of return on those players, I need to give credit for the good things. I can agree with all 3 of your examples for this season, but let's see if those "solutions" stick longer term. No doubt they were good finds for THIS season; but those guys were all available for a reason. No one else wanted or needed them on their rosters before we wanted/needed them.

In very broad-brush terms, I do believe that, since CSP left, more has gone wrong than has gone right. Maybe that's a coincidence and it would've happened anyhow, but CSP isn't here to blame. But ML signed off on those decisions also, and he is here. And I can't remember a time when CSP doubled-down on an apparent mistake. He owned it, took his medicine, and moved to fix it. I haven't seen Loomis do any of that since CSP left.

I don't trust Loomis.

 

[St. Widge]

There were several reports that I saw about Webb. I think Nick is doing the organization's "clean up" when info comes out. Funny that Webb and Shaw were reported on Nick is the one that comes out and squashes it. Wonder if these are situations where those guys' agents are trying to drum up interest or where Saints tried but were rebuffed.

Nick doesn't seem to get much info out of the front office. They are, as you know, legendarily insular and tight lipped. But sure, it' is likely the agents for these guys are trying to drum up interest and it's possible Nick is asking someone in the front office to confirm the rumor and they are telling him it it's not true.

 

[Hedon James]

If you define "treading water" as....... In their 11 seasons under Andy Reid, the Chiefs have nine consecutive playoff seasons and eight consecutive division titles.....

The Chiefs the year before he got there were 2-14....his 1st year they were 11-5 and in the playoffs.....Utterly and totally ridiculous.....like most of your nonsensical ramblings....

When Reid's career is over he will be in the discussion of GOAT.....

and that's just his KC career. He had a pretty good career coaching Philadelphia before he was run out of that city for making the playoffs frequently, and appearing in a SB, but never winning the big game. I live near Philly and am surrounded by Eagles, Ravens & Steelers fans. Had a front row seat to that drama. Philly fans can be very brutal, and short-sighted. They were wishing they had Reid back, until Pederson & Foles finally broke through and won them a SB. Now, they mostly forget Reid was ever there.

 

[jesusfish]

There were several reports that I saw about Webb. I think Nick is doing the organization's "clean up" when info comes out. Funny that Webb and Shaw were reported on Nick is the one that comes out and squashes it. Wonder if these are situations where those guys' agents are trying to drum up interest or where Saints tried but were rebuffed.

Davis Webb seems almost like a "leak-finder" name. Mention it to someone in the organization and see if it ends up on twitter.

 

[sfidc3]

and that's just his KC career. He had a pretty good career coaching Philadelphia before he was run out of that city for making the playoffs frequently, and appearing in a SB, but never winning the big game. I live near Philly and am surrounded by Eagles, Ravens & Steelers fans. Had a front row seat to that drama. Philly fans can be very brutal, and short-sighted. They were wishing they had Reid back, until Pederson & Foles finally broke through and won them a SB. Now, they mostly forget Reid was ever there.

I know the Eagles fans have that kind of rep for sure.....what's funny is that I have 3 friends here that are Eagles fans all from the Philly area, they are the complete opposite of what you defined.....Knowledgeable, sane and they wish Reid would have never left....

 

[Hedon James]

I know the Eagles fans have that kind of rep for sure.....what's funny is that I have 3 friends here that are Eagles fans all from the Philly area, they are the complete opposite of what you defined.....Knowledgeable, sane and they wish Reid would have never left....

some of my Eagle-fan friends fit that description also, so they exist. but they're a minority in comparison to the fan-base at large. at least in my observation.

 

[Belfast Saint]

some of my Eagle-fan friends fit that description also, so they exist. but they're a minority in comparison to the fan-base at large. at least in my observation.

I suspect they are a minority in every fan base to be fair!

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Good points. Fair enough. Those all seemed like good mid-season finds, and if I'm gonna recite my issues with the wasted picks trading up, and the lack of return on those players, I need to give credit for the good things. I can agree with all 3 of your examples for this season, but let's see if those "solutions" stick longer term. No doubt they were good finds for THIS season; but those guys were all available for a reason. No one else wanted or needed them on their rosters before we wanted/needed them.

In very broad-brush terms, I do believe that, since CSP left, more has gone wrong than has gone right. Maybe that's a coincidence and it would've happened anyhow, but CSP isn't here to blame. But ML signed off on those decisions also, and he is here. And I can't remember a time when CSP doubled-down on an apparent mistake. He owned it, took his medicine, and moved to fix it. I haven't seen Loomis do any of that since CSP left.

I don't trust Loomis.

That's fair. I've got a little more faith in him, but mostly because I understood his patience w/ Allen. There were times I didn't agree w/ it, but half the battle is understanding. I think somethign that doesn't get mentioned enough about him is his inherent competitiveness. I don't think people realize that tanking or tearing it all down, goes against who he is.

However, I can tell that the way he approached the 2024 season, was different than he'd approached seasons in the past. The "one player away" mantra that we'd been operating in that typically saw us make a splash FA signing or two + a trade up for a very specific talent didn't happen. In 2022 it was Olave/Penning, in 2023 it was Carr.

2024 saw a subtle admission that whatever window they thought they had or potentially could have....isn't there. They were willing to trade back (Rams), they traded Marshon mid season (Loomis is typically a buyer at trade deadline, think Eli Apple) and their FA classes was subtle, unless you want to say Chase Young was some type of headline grab. They payed him market value on a 1 year prove it deal that had a ton of incentives in it. Mickey don't trade back, Mickey don't sell at trade deadline, Mickey don't sign 2nd and 3rd tier FA...Bo know this.

Thats Loomis proving he can move differently and admit mistakes...even when people are not viewing those actions as such.