N/S Zack Baun: Top Graded LB / DPOTW [Why Baun Isn’t Still a Saint Thread] (6 Viewers)

[Elvis]

He's part of the TJ/JJ Watt crew. He knew how to play, DA just refused to use him to his strengths. It's been obvious for a while.

 

[meily]

Saints can't draft though, amirite?

DA couldn't scheme to the talent on his roster, this defense was more potent when he had the personnel to run a 4-2-5 scheme and you mixed in Baun or Ellis as a rush linebacker, we lost all of our bite when we couldn't not replace the loss of CJG or scheme to the talents of these rush linebackers.

We had the best scheme for the talent aquired but as good of a DC as Allen was he missed that vision in the players he had on the defensive side of the ball and that's kind of shocking.

 

[Cgrob81]

Unbelievable. As bad as we needed linebackers.......

 

[dtc]

Dennis Allen. He doesn't try to fit his defense around the player's skill set. He wants to change the player to fit his defense. It's why we've seen so many square peg, round hole player's on defense. Player X did this in college, but the Saints are playing them here instead.

This is getting stupid.

You can blame DA for being anything, but pretending he's bad at defense is stupid to the point of being rEEdiculous.

Neither of those 2 were as good as the other guys in front of them and damn sure not DD and it's the price you pay for having a salary cap and covid year.

 

[dtc]

Resigning Davis had nothing to do with Allen not playing Baun to his strengths.

It has everything to do with the fact that Baun was not as good as DD until maybe this year.

 

[SaintsMan209]

I thought the eagles only signed baun to a 1 year contract. couldn't we resign him next year?

 

[meily]

He's part of the TJ/JJ Watt crew. He knew how to play, DA just refused to use him to his strengths. It's been obvious for a while.

He and Kaden Ellis

 

[meily]

This is getting stupid.

You can blame DA for being anything, but pretending he's bad at defense is stupid to the point of being rEEdiculous.

Neither of those 2 were as good as the other guys in front of them and damn sure not DD and it's the price you pay for having a salary cap and covid year.

They were pass rushers in college, played along the line, DA tried to turn them into traditional stand up linebackers (not playing them to their strengths) and the only time they got to do what they do best is when we experienced injuries at DE and they needed to create a rush so they had them rushing on third downs and they both were disruptive in those roles almost to the point where you thought that they had carved out roles on the defense but no, they went to other teams and we got Willie Gay.

 

[SAINT BIGAL]

Baun plays for the Eagles now days and Dennis Allen is no longer coaching the Saints. No reason to get riled up. It is what it is.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

They were pass rushers in college, played along the line, DA tried to turn them into traditional stand up linebackers (not playing them to their strengths) and the only time they got to do what they do best is when we experienced injuries at DE and they needed to create a rush so they had them rushing on third downs and they both were disruptive in those roles almost to the point where you thought the they had carved out roles on the defense but no, they went to other teams and we got Willie Gay.

Baun is not a full time NFL pass rusher in 3-4 or as DE.
He’s playing as a traditional stand up LB in Philly.
Traditional LB is Baun’s strengths in the NFL.

Baun never outplayed Davis, Werner, Alexander, and Elliss as a LB when he was a Saint. He would have Willie Gay’s role if he re-signed, which would’ve been significantly more LB snaps than Baun had in the past. Willie Gay was an established multi year starting LB on SB defenses, more established than Baun before this season.

It’s unfortunate that Baun didn’t get a chance to show that he can thrive as a starting LB1 or LB2 with the Saints. It wasn’t happening here with #56 and #20 still at the top of the LB depth chart. They established themselves as starting LBs more than Baun did.
Baun chose to take a full time starting LB job somewhere else as a FA.

 

[2009ring]

I read something on this from the Eagles side since I'm local here. Vic Fangio was quoted as saying that the Saints had Baun pegged as more of a ST and OLB/Pass Rusher, and Fangio saw him more as an ILB. So Fangio moved him to ILB and here we are.

 

[2009ring]

Besides T-Rex, Baun, and Elliss, name me one player the Saints developed and left and became starters elsewhere.

Rob Ninkovich
Marcus Williams
Vonn Bell
Malcolm Jenkins

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Rob Ninkovich

He never played with us though, so that doesn't count. The idea is players we have that are good that leave and get even better. Or that's what I thought at least.

 

[treeduck]

We already know that Fangio knows linebackers better than DA, after all he presided over the Dome Patrol back in the day, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he would know how to use Baun properly.

 

[Snakehead]

Baun is not a full time NFL pass rusher in 3-4 or as DE.
He’s playing as a traditional stand up LB in Philly.
Traditional LB is Baun’s strengths in the NFL.

Baun never outplayed Davis, Werner, Alexander, and Elliss as a LB when he was a Saint. He would have Willie Gay’s role if he re-signed, which would’ve been significantly more LB snaps than Baun had in the past. Willie Gay was an established multi year starting LB on SB defenses, more established than Baun before this season.

It’s unfortunate that Baun didn’t get a chance to show that he can thrive as a starting LB1 or LB2 with the Saints. It wasn’t happening here with #56 and #20 still at the top of the LB depth chart. They established themselves as starting LBs more than Baun did.
Baun chose to take a full time starting LB job somewhere else as a FA.

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