NFL to present new resolutions to Rooney Rule, which includes draft-related incentives (1 Viewer)

[Loose Cannon]

Quote the whole thing then

I believe that you think that at one point supporting a black quarterback absolves you of all of your other racist thoughts and actions.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

The new resolution is racist on it's very face, it's doing the very thing it purports to try to stop.

please explain
1st i want to see if you understand the difference between racial and racist
2nd i want to see if you can back up the 2nd part of your contention (the 'purports' part)

 

[Loose Cannon]

please explain
1st i want to see if you understand the difference between racial and racist

He doesn't. They don't.

The other guy who says that this policy is racist, when called out on it, literally just made up his own definition of the word.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Then you have me wrong, and I won't change your mind.

You're right. Someone who high fives a guy for repeating a tenet of literal white supremacy will never change my mind about that person being a racist. I guess I can call you a white supremacist if you prefer that?

 

[RazorOye]

I mean, we could venture down this big rabbit hole of scientifically proven facts about DNA relating to IQ and athleticism, but let's not

this is brutal

IQ is not tied to any ethnicity - this has been *demonstrated as scientific fact* for at least 20 years now. You're totally mistaken to cite "scientifically proven facts about DNA" and you don't even take into account a little enterprise called the human genome project.

If you are white and from Europe and living in North America, there are black sub-Saharan Africans you'll have share more DNA with than another white person living in North America around the block from you.

What you are espousing - that some ethnicities are 'scientically proven' to be smarter or have higher IQs is *not* (and I cannot emphasize this enough) 'scientifically proven facts'

in fact, it is the opposite

the notion of race which was racially constructed when they created the first three 'races' - negroid, caucasoid, mongoloid - is bunk now. We know this. It was anthropological and sociological - not BIOlogical. And it evolved over the years, morphing into things like cranial 'science' and the work of Samuel Morton in 1839.

He collected and studied skulls from all over the world and took volume measurements, and published them in Crania America. Essentially, skull shape and size meant intelligence - but his method was backwards.

It wasn't "what about skull size can we derive about IQ" (the answer, we know, is nothing) but rather "we know white people are smarter than black people so what about their crania is different that might account for that?"

It wasn't science. It was racism masquerading as science.

And that statement is just as true today when you make this post, in 1994 with the publication of The Bell Curve as it was in 1839 when Morton made his claims.

This is an absolutely stupid thing to perpetuate in 2020.

 

[Loose Cannon]

this is brutal

IQ is not tied to any ethnicity - this has been *demonstrated as scientific fact* for at least 20 years now. You're totally mistaken to cite "scientifically proven facts about DNA" and you don't even take into account a little enterprise called the human genome project.

If you are white and from Europe and living in North America, there are black sub-Saharan Africans you'll have share more DNA with than another white person living in North America around the block from you.

What you are espousing - that some ethnicities are 'scientically proven' to be smarter or have higher IQs is *not* (and I cannot emphasize this enough) 'scientifically proven facts'

in fact, it is the opposite

the notion of race which was racially constructed when they created the first three 'races' - negroid, caucasoid, mongoloid - is bunk now. We know this. It was anthropological and sociological - not BIOlogical. And it evolved over the years, morphing into things like cranial 'science' and the work of Samuel Morton in 1839.

He collected and studied skulls from all over the world and took volume measurements, and published them in Crania America. Essentially, skull shape and size meant intelligence - but his method was backwards.

It wasn't "what about skull size can we derive about IQ" (the answer, we know, is nothing) but rather "we know white people are smarter than black people so what about their crania is different that might account for that?"

It wasn't science. It was racism masquerading as science.

And that statement is just as true today when you make this post, in 1994 with the publication of The Bell Curve as it was in 1839 when Morton made his claims.

This is an absolutely stupid thing to perpetuate in 2020.

 

[RazorOye]

everything racist is racial, but not everything that is racial is racist

 

[FootballLady]

What happens if a team hires a minority head coach and has "consultant" behind the scenes?

Is that something you think they'd need to do?

 

[parlorcitysaint]

He doesn't. They don't.

The other guy who says that this policy is racist, when called out on it, literally just made up his own definition of the word.

Lemme see if I understand you correctly: My advocating hiring practices that COMPLETELY disregard race are, in your opinion, "white supremacist", and your steadfast belief that forming a decision BASED ON RACE is not racist...

It seems that we'll never come to an agreement, as you clearly have as much respect for my opinion as I do yours.

 

[FootballLady]

No I'm talking about abuse of the system. It's too bad Sean Payton didn't actually do that in 2012.

You'd have to hire a coach willing took be used like that. What would be the point of taking that job?

 

[soggymoss]

this is brutal

IQ is not tied to any ethnicity - this has been *demonstrated as scientific fact* for at least 20 years now. You're totally mistaken to cite "scientifically proven facts about DNA" and you don't even take into account a little enterprise called the human genome project.

If you are white and from Europe and living in North America, there are black sub-Saharan Africans you'll have share more DNA with than another white person living in North America around the block from you.

What you are espousing - that some ethnicities are 'scientically proven' to be smarter or have higher IQs is *not* (and I cannot emphasize this enough) 'scientifically proven facts'

in fact, it is the opposite

the notion of race which was racially constructed when they created the first three 'races' - negroid, caucasoid, mongoloid - is bunk now. We know this. It was anthropological and sociological - not BIOlogical. And it evolved over the years, morphing into things like cranial 'science' and the work of Samuel Morton in 1839.

He collected and studied skulls from all over the world and took volume measurements, and published them in Crania America. Essentially, skull shape and size meant intelligence - but his method was backwards.

It wasn't "what about skull size can we derive about IQ" (the answer, we know, is nothing) but rather "we know white people are smarter than black people so what about their crania is different that might account for that?"

It wasn't science. It was racism masquerading as science.

And that statement is just as true today when you make this post, in 1994 with the publication of The Bell Curve as it was in 1839 when Morton made his claims.

This is an absolutely stupid thing to perpetuate in 2020.

Ahhh, and here you go making it about race when I didn't even mention it...

It actually IS scientifically proven that certain genes are linked to higher intelligence.

There is no “IQ gene,” but the study, published in Nature Genetics, is precise enough to determine that there are at least 22 specific genes related to intelligence.

The researchers analyzed intelligence test scores and the complete genomes of over 78,000 people. Let me underscore how amazing that is; ten or fifteen years ago, studying the DNA of one person, let alone 78,000, would have been impractical. Now scientists can use this wealth of data to find the specific arrangements of molecules that code for differences in the brain.

The 22 genes implicated in intelligence made sense, too—they were genes previously shown to be involved in regulating the growth of neurons, for example.

 

[FootballLady]

Everyone has a price.

Lol

 

[St. Geezy]

Facts.

Unconscious and conscious biases are very real things.

It is well proven by now that many people prefer to hire people that look like themselves, talk like themselves, remind them of themselves, or carry the look of others in their profession.

Unconscious bias is so real, that even having the name "Bill," "Dan," "John," or "Bob" on a resume in any industry gives you a significant leg up on the competition, due to unconscious bias of a hiring manager, especially older ones. These are all proven facts at this stage.

That said, the act of offering draft pick compensation and other carrots does not tackle the real issues at hand.

I would like to hear from the two people that gave me the Goodell clown reactions for this post:. "Big Kitch," and "Moses."

I'm ready with my facts and data if you are. Just let me know when you're ready for some intelligent, open-minded discussion on the topic.

 

[EGLSShin]

How do we even know they want to vote/own property/ advance in their careers?

Its not even remotely the same, owning a house or land is much different than being in control of a multi billion dollar franchise that employs a bunch of other coaches under you, you're running the operations on game day, from logistics to game planning, etc.

Not everyone is cut out to be a headcoach, of these candidates that aspire to be headcoaches, how many get hired? How many turn down the offer?

If I had it my way, I would require teams to produce lists of every minority candidate teams interviewed and go from there. I probably would then fly those guys to the home office and talk further about whether or not they felt like they got a fair shake and get their input as coaches about the best way to go forward, get those voices involved in the process.

Again, nuance matters. You cant just go "reeeee not enough minority headcoaches, reeeeeeee."

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Lemme see if I understand you correctly: My advocating hiring practices that COMPLETELY disregard race are, in your opinion, "white supremacist", and your steadfast belief that forming a decision BASED ON RACE is not racist...

It seems that we'll never come to an agreement, as you clearly have as much respect for my opinion as I do yours.

I wouldn’t characterize it as white supremacy
But it certainly oozes of white privilege (as the white privilegeteers go scurrying for the ‘clown’ emoji)

I’m sure that you would admit that the system (nfl management in this instance)!has been rigged to favor one race over the others
But only at the moment where people want to address that wrong do people pipe up ‘NO!!IT SHOULD BE RACE BLIND!!’
THAT is a privileged position