COVID-19 Outbreak Information Updates (Reboot) [over 150.000,000 US cases (est.), 6,422,520 US hospitilizations, 1,148,691 US deaths.] (2 Viewers)

[St. Geezy]

As was reported in other locations that were hit hard.

A Spike in People Dying at Home Suggests Coronavirus Deaths in Houston May Be Higher Than Reported

In Houston, one of the nation’s fastest-growing coronavirus hot spots, more residents are dying before they can make it to a hospital. Medical examiner data shows that an increasing number of these deaths are the result of COVID-19.

www.propublica.org

Same story as Oregon. It's crazy how transparent some of this stuff is.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I cannot imagine a teachers union going for this.

What’s a teacher’s union?

 

[RazorOye]

I am just south of you in London, Ontario...wish they would do that here. We have had very few cases so people do not seem to take it very seriously. I am not a high risk individual but I wear my mask to not be a spreader and get very annoyed that others do not seem to be as courteous

I think it's coming, honestly. Our city was resistant to it, because we haven't been hit hard and all the trends have been downward. Finally, it became a matter of prevention and keeping numbers down as well as preparing for likelihoods of prevention for months from now - good practice now, so that they become habits later.

 

[saintmdterps]

Terrible. Retired doctors working covid cases? I'm sure that will go well.

One of our members posted that his mother, a retired RN, had been contacted regarding returning to work. He was afraid she'd say yes. I think it was @Goatman Saint?

Rough times. I do all patient treatments in the patients rooms. I wear gown, mask, gloves and face shield. the gowns do not breathe and patient rooms are warm. I go through 3-4 gowns per day.

Be careful when you say you want to lose a few lbs

 

[AARPSaint]

And the teachers are almost certainly in the age range to get it and get it bad. What happens when they go down? Heck, if you're supposed to be in quarantine for 14 days after being exposed to it, what happens when a kid who came to school tests positive? 14 days uses up a LOT of sick time, are they prepared to give more sick days to account for that?

And what is the average age of the substitutes?

 

[AARPSaint]

The face mask issue and the constitution.

Face-Covering Requirements and the Constitution | ACS

www.acslaw.org

Wait, I thought wearing a mask was a political act. Seriously, I hope some judge doesn't rule that way. This article is very enlightening.

 

[St. Geezy]

 

[0rion]

Pretty sure NY did this also. It was part of Cuomo's plea for any and all help.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Was hoping they'd do this. The science is the science, and changing it for convenience basically takes away any credibility in the department's findings.

The one area I thought they'd consider some flexibility is the 6 ft rule, so long as everyone is in a mask. Like, is 3 feet objectively worse? If you're in an enclosed room, the spacing isn't as critical (my personal opinion, not sure there is any research to support or deny).

 

[SharonT]

And what is the average age of the substitutes?

Many are retired teachers, and are limited by the number of days they can substitute in a school year, lest they be accused of double-dipping by collecting two paychecks. It's a tough spot they're in because we're not allowed to collect Social Security. I wonder if the laws or policy will be changed or at least the daily and long-term sub pay increased. Huge risk for the task required.

 

[Saint_Ward]

More reason for them to show us more than the last 30 days of deaths and cases.. the deaths are delayed by around 2 weeks... Even so, my eye spys about a 10-20 deaths per day increase in late June.. early July is probably still pending.

 

[AARPSaint]

Many are retired teachers, and are limited by the number of days they can substitute in a school year, lest they be accused of double-dipping by collecting two paychecks. It's a tough spot they're in because we're not allowed to collect Social Security. I wonder if the laws or policy will be changed or at least the daily and long-term sub pay increased. Huge risk for the task required.

Exactly. My father substitute taught after he retired as a chemist. Last night there was an interview of a Florida teacher where she brought up the issue of the age of the substitutes.

 

[St. Geezy]

The one area I thought they'd consider some flexibility is the 6 ft rule, so long as everyone is in a mask. Like, is 3 feet objectively worse? If you're in an enclosed room, the spacing isn't as critical (my personal opinion, not sure there is any research to support or deny).

Good question. I could see it mattering if it was a singular event or in a large environment, but with it being daily, with the same group of 15+ people all day long in a space that isn't super large, it does not seem as though 6 feet versus 3 feet would make that much of a difference.

 

[SharonT]

The one area I thought they'd consider some flexibility is the 6 ft rule, so long as everyone is in a mask. Like, is 3 feet objectively worse? If you're in an enclosed room, the spacing isn't as critical (my personal opinion, not sure there is any research to support or deny).

I agree. It's almost a distraction and time-waster to quibble over spacing when the fact is the air is not exchanged, just circulated over and over in that one little room all day long. Add in the A/C which reduces humidity and no or ill-fitting masks and you've got the perfect recipe for transmission.

Edit: And don't forget little humans love to huddle. We need to tell them to stay away from each other without implying their friends are contagious. Think about that.

We need to communicate. But we can't be close and can't project our voices. ???

 

[Saint_Ward]

The other site has a better view. See, this is actually somewhat positive for Florida, they should show more data...

The deaths, while slightly growing so far, are way below what it was in April. This could be significant, with the age demographics lowering. Otherwise, it would get really, really, ugly.