Underhill: Saints are interviewing probably 12 coaches (Final: officially 6 interviews) (2 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

My number 2 guy, admittedly in part because I think it significantly increases the odds we draft Jeanty.

Not sure why he would do that. If anything, his time in Philly has taught him the value of a great OL from the drat, great DL from the draft, great WRs from the draft, and that you can get a great RB relatively cheap in free agency.

 

[St. Geezy]

Not sure why he would do that. If anything, his time in Philly has taught him the value of a great OL from the drat, great DL from the draft, great WRs from the draft, and that you can get a great RB relatively cheap in free agency.

Banking on the Boise St. connection plus his Saquan Barkley epiphany.

 

[sfidc3]

and that you can get a great RB relatively cheap in free agency.

3 years at a potential 50 mil is cheap? Also how often does a HOF level talent still in his prime able to walk to another team? Almost never, unless that team is the Giants....they completely lucked out getting Barkley.....

I don't disagree that OL is most important but above has to be the understatement of the year.....

 

[St. Widge]

3 years at a potential 50 mil is cheap? Also how often does a HOF level talent still in his prime able to walk to another team? Almost never, unless that team is the Giants....they completely lucked out getting Barkley.....

I don't disagree that OL is most important but above has to be the understatement of the year.....

I said "relatively cheap". And, relative to his production, yes, cheap. He gets paid less than McCaffery and around the same AAV as Taylor, Kamara, and Jacobs. If you want real bargain, Derek Henry had nearly as many yards and gets paid $4 million AAV per year less then all those guys listed above.

And, it doesn't take HoF talent to run if you have a great scheme and a great OL. You will note that this is by far his best year and it happens to be when he gets into a great running scheme behind a great OL.

But, my point is that you don't have to draft a RB high to get great production from the running game and that you can get great RBs in free agency. I can name others, starting with Derrick Henry, if you want.

 

[nakadish]

Not sure why he would do that. If anything, his time in Philly has taught him the value of a great OL from the drat, great DL from the draft, great WRs from the draft, and that you can get a great RB relatively cheap in free agency.

You can get a good RB anywhere. But someone like Kamara in his prime is a game changer. You don't get those anywhere. If you don't take them when you have the opportunity, you spin up thread after thread about how the Saints could have drafted him.

 

[St. Geezy]

McCarthy may have a newfound appreciation for a having a great RB as well, and I’m sure he wouldn’t mind sticking it to Jerry if he knows he likes Jeanty.

 

[sfidc3]

I said "relatively cheap". And, relative to his production, yes, cheap. He gets paid less than McCaffery and around the same AAV as Taylor, Kamara, and Jacobs. If you want real bargain, Derek Henry had nearly as many yards and gets paid $4 million AAV per year less then all those guys listed above.

And, it doesn't take HoF talent to run if you have a great scheme and a great OL. You will note that this is by far his best year and it happens to be when he gets into a great running scheme behind a great OL.

But, my point is that you don't have to draft a RB high to get great production from the running game and that you can get great RBs in free agency. I can name others, starting with Derrick Henry, if you want.

Relative to production I totally agree and I totally agree what you are saying about OL and scheme.....

I guess what my contention is that the Eagles are a poor example and the Ravens as well.....you can get good RB's in FA, great ones that are still in their prime and/or productive are pretty rare....

To me it's a more a condemnation of the teams that let them walk as opposed to "it's easy to get a great RB in FA".....

Starting with Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley is not helping your argument, those instances are really rare....but I agree with your overall point.....

 

[St. Widge]

You can get a good RB anywhere. But someone like Kamara in his prime is a game changer. You don't get those anywhere. If you don't take them when you have the opportunity, you spin up thread after thread about how the Saints could have drafted him.

Yes. And Kamara was a 3rd round pick. So I don't know why you say you can't get those guys anywhere.

 

[St. Geezy]

Not sure why he would do that. If anything, his time in Philly has taught him the value of a great OL from the drat, great DL from the draft, great WRs from the draft, and that you can get a great RB relatively cheap in free agency.

You can find good guards in free agency too. Many ways to build.

We’ll see how the chips fall these next few months. We have no idea what this team is going to look like come late April.

 

[St. Geezy]

We’ve spent three firsts and have a Pro Bowl caliber second round center, and we are still not happy with our line.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

 

[St. Geezy]

Is it just me, or does Kellen Moore also kind of have the Malcolm in the Middle syndrome like young Coach Payton, like he could be a cousin.

 

[St. Widge]

Relative to production I totally agree and I totally agree what you are saying about OL and scheme.....

I guess what my contention is that the Eagles are a poor example and the Ravens as well.....you can get good RB's in FA, great ones that are still in their prime and/or productive are pretty rare....

To me it's a more a condemnation of the teams that let them walk as opposed to "it's easy to get a great RB in FA".....

Starting with Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley is not helping your argument, those instances are really rare....but I agree with your overall point.....

My original point in all of this was, that I don't think being in Philly this year would make Moore more likely to draft Jeanty at #9 since that was a team that already had a great OL, DL, WRs, LBs, etc. and they keep drafting big men in the 1st and got Barkley as a fee agent. But, Jezzy is right that maybe the Boise State connection could make him look more favorably on Jeanty.

Moreover, I'm not saying that you should try to fill RB in free agency, I'm just saying RB is a position that you can get good to great players in free agency and later in the draft. That's much less so for good to great OL and DL. It happens, but it's less common.

But, I do disagree that citing Henry and Barkley doesn't help the argument. That's two HoF RBs in one year that were available in free agency. There have been others in prior years. But, if you think Henry and Barkley are that rare, 4 of the top 10 rushers in the NFL this year were acquired in free agency. The ones that were drafted by their team, other than Jonathan Taylor, are still on rookie contracts. And I think 6 of the top 10 rushers were taken after the 1st round.

But sure, it's dumb to let a great RB, or really any great player, go in free agency. I'm just saying relative to other positions teams often let them go and it's easier to get great players in the draft at RB without taking one in the first round. Which doesn't mean you don't take a RB in round one, but if you are going to take one, especially if you are going to take one in the top 10, you better be damn sure he's a HoF level guy.

 

[St. Widge]

McCarthy may have a newfound appreciation for a having a great RB as well, and I’m sure he wouldn’t mind sticking it to Jerry if he knows he likes Jeanty.

We should trade back with Jerry so he can take Jeanty and send us a boat load of picks to make up for the Steve Walsh trade.