Saints met with QB Shedeur Sanders [Deion Sanders ok with Saints drafting Shedeur]

[Hedon James]

I feel the same way. I’ll admit that him doing that modeling thing abroad and not being with his team this year, kinda bothered me a bit. Plus, I do think he’s full of himself…….however, I do believe the dude is talented AF. He wouldn’t be my first choice, but he’s the bloodline of an NFL legend. That’s some Primetime DNA inside of him. Pun intended

I don't know anything about modeling abroad, but generally agree with everything you said. And I don't want him...not even at #9. He comes with the circus of drama that seems to follow the Sanders clan...I'm not a fan of those who SEEK the spotlight. Let the spotlight find you. JMO. So the earlier poster is correct...it's partly non-football related.

But THIS part IS football related. If Shedeur ends up in B&G, I have very little doubt that he will bolt for a larger market team at his first opportunity. Whether that's forcing a trade after holding out due to a breakout season; or playing out his rookie contract as a starter and seeking brighter lights, and better endorsement opportunities from larger markets. At best, he'll be a bridge QB until the next better opportunity comes his way; and we'll be having this conversation again when it's time for contract extension. That is also my OPINION, but I think a valid concern, given his prior history. IF he is the "franchise QB" that we hope for, and that he says he is, I'd want my franchise QB for more than 5 seasons.

I just fundamentally do not believe he is of "franchise QB" caliber; and if he is, I don't think small-market New Orleans will be able to retain him. You think Daddy Prime won't be offering career advice? Daddy Prime's career is Exhibit A for why I think this way. None of us know what's in Shedeur's mind (myself included), but I think my inference is reasonable, and the concern is very valid. If Shedeur is there at #9, I'd rather trade out for additional picks. Again, JMO...

 

[SweetT]

I don't know anything about modeling abroad, but generally agree with everything you said. And I don't want him...not even at #9. He comes with the circus of drama that seems to follow the Sanders clan...I'm not a fan of those who SEEK the spotlight. Let the spotlight find you. JMO. So the earlier poster is correct...it's partly non-football related.

But THIS part IS football related. If Shedeur ends up in B&G, I have very little doubt that he will bolt for a larger market team at his first opportunity. Whether that's forcing a trade after holding out due to a breakout season; or playing out his rookie contract as a starter and seeking brighter lights, and better endorsement opportunities from larger markets. At best, he'll be a bridge QB until the next better opportunity comes his way; and we'll be having this conversation again when it's time for contract extension. That is also my OPINION, but I think a valid concern, given his prior history. IF he is the "franchise QB" that we hope for, and that he says he is, I'd want my franchise QB for more than 5 seasons.

I just fundamentally do not believe he is of "franchise QB" caliber; and if he is, I don't think small-market New Orleans will be able to retain him. You think Daddy Prime won't be offering career advice? Daddy Prime's career is Exhibit A for why I think this way. None of us know what's in Shedeur's mind (myself included), but I think my inference is reasonable, and the concern is very valid. If Shedeur is there at #9, I'd rather trade out for additional picks. Again, JMO...

Excellent breakdown. I do agree that he most likely desires a big market and his family are all about the marketing aspect of where they are in life. It definitely would be circus level, but I try to not let that affect my beliefs on him as a football player. Even though the attention would be at an all time high once he reaches the pros

 

[jahsoul357]

If he drops to 9, I'll take him for sure. I said last season that in terms of actual quarterbacking (and not being an athlete that throws), he was up there (IMO) last season. But I don't believe no QB is worth a reach BUT if Kellen is on board with it, I'm down...lol

I just fundamentally do not believe he is of "franchise QB" caliber;

Truth is, that's not up to the player. Franchises make "franchise QB," so I believe that the QB that our staff put their energy and focus behind will be that for us. The problem is we have so many coaching staffs that believe that a person isn't a certain caliber, so they are robbed of that opportunity because they don't have the support. Then there is shock and confusion when a player goes somewhere that gives them that and they succeed (Geno and Darnold to name a couple).

 

[Hedon James]

If he drops to 9, I'll take him for sure. I said last season that in terms of actual quarterbacking (and not being an athlete that throws), he was up there (IMO) last season. But I don't believe no QB is worth a reach BUT if Kellen is on board with it, I'm down...lol


Truth is, that's not up to the player. Franchises make "franchise QB," so I believe that the QB that our staff put their energy and focus behind will be that for us. The problem is we have so many coaching staffs that believe that a person isn't a certain caliber, so they are robbed of that opportunity because they don't have the support. Then there is shock and confusion when a player goes somewhere that gives them that and they succeed (Geno and Darnold to name a couple).

I understand what you're saying, and that's a fair point. But to suggest it's entirely on coaching/support is a little disengenuous. IMO, it IS up to the player. You can provide the BEST coaching/support the NFL has to offer, but without the player absorbing/implementing that support, the result is the same. If you believe that coaching/support is the panacea, then let's just coach/support Rattler and Haener to "franchise" status, and deploy our draft picks to more obvious holes in the roster. Are any of us comfortable that will turn out the way we want/hope? I know I'm not, and I like BOTH players. I think that's proof you need BOTH. Also, if you're citing Geno Smith and Sam Darnold as the examples here, I think we define "franchise QB" differently. MY definition is a guy who elevates the roster...the franchise....for an extended period; not a one-off personal best season. Geno & Darnold have finally blossomed into quality QBs, but I wouldn't call either "franchise QB" quality. JMO...

I'll fundamentally agree with your overall take, but I think we define the nuances differently. I appreciate your perspective though.

 

[Painkiller]

Dude has "Locker Room Cancer" written all over him.

Hard, hard pass.

 

[jahsoul357]

I understand what you're saying, and that's a fair point. But to suggest it's entirely on coaching/support is a little disengenuous. IMO, it IS up to the player. You can provide the BEST coaching/support the NFL has to offer, but without the player absorbing/implementing that support, the result is the same. If you believe that coaching/support is the panacea, then let's just coach/support Rattler and Haener to "franchise" status, and deploy our draft picks to more obvious holes in the roster. Are any of us comfortable that will turn out the way we want/hope? I know I'm not, and I like BOTH players. I think that's proof you need BOTH.

Why couldn't they be? Crap, I hope CKM put some energy and focus on those 2 to see what we really have because truth is, we don't know. We look at height, arm talent, and lack of success in a funked up situation but I believe we still have more to see from both of them.

Also, if you're citing Geno Smith and Sam Darnold as the examples here, I think we define "franchise QB" differently. MY definition is a guy who elevates the roster...the franchise....for an extended period; not a one-off personal best season.

I'm going to be very honest with you; in this modern age of football, I haven't seen one QB that elevates the roster. The top guys have weapons (Burrow) and if they have a down season, they will say that they need weapons (Mahomes). When you look at a QB making those around them better, I can't think of one, and if we are being honest, we have more examples now of skill players elevating QBs as opposed to QBs elevating the players. The franchise is usually an entire team effort.

Geno & Darnold have finally blossomed into quality QBs, but I wouldn't call either "franchise QB" quality. JMO...

I'll fundamentally agree with your overall take, but I think we define the nuances differently. I appreciate your perspective though.

I agree with the nuance of the term and that's why I don't like to use it. What determines is someone is franchise QB quality. People bashed Brock Purdy because they look at him as being a "system QB," (all successful QBs are BTW), "game manager," etc, even though he took the 49ers to the playoffs and was a play or 2 away from winning (Chris Jones....the real MVP..lol). But we Matt Stafford, who has never won a playoff game in Detroit, go to a ready made team that went to the Super Bowl an few year prior, and for some reason, we view those 2 situations differently (yes, I know the Rams won but you get my point..haha)

 

[Ti Rider]

To me Sanders is the ultimate lose/lose proposition for the team that drafts him -

If he’s successful early you are probably looking at his Dad trying to force his way on to your coaching staff. And then having Sanders himself taking all the credit for his success and alienating the team’s locker room. Then probably surprisingly way sooner than expected he will try to force a trade to a bigger market franchise or demand an insane multi year GUARANTEED contract.

If he’s not a success or isn’t the immediate starter then you are most likely facing his Dad criticizing the coaching staff, the other players, heck even the GM and ownership every week in the media. No way does Deion allow his son to take the blame for any struggles he encounters. So on top of dealing with adversity of losing you’d be facing a constant, never ending barrage of negativity from your QB’s high profile Dad.

Hard pass.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

To me Sanders is the ultimate lose/lose proposition for the team that drafts him -

If he’s successful early you are probably looking at his Dad trying to force his way on to your coaching staff. And then having Sanders himself taking all the credit for his success and alienating the team’s locker room. Then probably surprisingly way sooner than expected he will try to force a trade to a bigger market franchise or demand an insane multi year GUARANTEED contract.

If he’s not a success or isn’t the immediate starter then you are most likely facing his Dad criticizing the coaching staff, the other players, heck even the GM and ownership every week in the media. No way does Deion allow his son to take the blame for any struggles he encounters. So on top of dealing with adversity of losing you’d be facing a barrage of negativity from your QB’s Dad.

Hard pass.

I get these feelings as well. When I was watching them lose to KU I was really surprised. I don't recall qtr or time, but it was second half and Colorado was down. 3rd and 6 (or something like that) and a run play was called. Then later, the exact same thing happened (yardage was a slight difference). And it got me wondering if Sanders was more worried about hurting his sons stats then winning the game, else why would you call plays that concede the outcome?

EDIT : I might be confusing it with the KState game. We're talking months ago.

 

[longtime lurker]

Writer mentions the Saints…

Shedeur Sanders landing spots: Where QB could end up after Russell Wilson, Giants deal

Russell Wilson is the latest free agent quarterback to sign with a new team this offseason. Here's what that means for Shedeur Sanders' future home.

www.usatoday.com

 

[IlovemySaints]

No way. The guy is not a first round pick. I sound like I'm his biggest critic. Simple truth is I hate the over hype he gets and constant shoving down our throats how great he is. The media was hyping him up non-stop no matter how he played. Even after he cost his team the game against Nebraska, the media was declaring him a top QB in the draft. He's not great. No pocket awareness. Mediocre accuracy. Strong arm, and downright bad at pre-snap reads. On top of that, there were some odd things occurring in the play calling, such as Colorado down in pts and the play calling never put the game/offense on Sanders arm. It's almost as if Deion would rather lose the game then to put his son in potential situation to lose the game at the expense of chancing wins.

I'd happily take the guy with one of our 3rd round picks. I think there's a very high chance his ceiling in Jamis Winston, maybe even Jake Browning while his floor is Hendon Hooker. I think Rattler is a fine career backup QB to have. I personally love his moxxi and feel really good about his attitude to fight coming into the game to temporarily replace our injured starting QB. I just don't see the point in Sanders.

How’d you get Hendon hooker has he played a nfl snap yet ?

 

[IlovemySaints]

To me Sanders is the ultimate lose/lose proposition for the team that drafts him -

If he’s successful early you are probably looking at his Dad trying to force his way on to your coaching staff. And then having Sanders himself taking all the credit for his success and alienating the team’s locker room. Then probably surprisingly way sooner than expected he will try to force a trade to a bigger market franchise or demand an insane multi year GUARANTEED contract.

If he’s not a success or isn’t the immediate starter then you are most likely facing his Dad criticizing the coaching staff, the other players, heck even the GM and ownership every week in the media. No way does Deion allow his son to take the blame for any struggles he encounters. So on top of dealing with adversity of losing you’d be facing a constant, never ending barrage of negativity from your QB’s high profile Dad.

Hard pass.

Deion has stated he doesn’t want to coach nfl has he changed his stance on that yet

 

[JBofWDN]

No way. The guy is not a first round pick. I sound like I'm his biggest critic. Simple truth is I hate the over hype he gets and constant shoving down our throats how great he is. The media was hyping him up non-stop no matter how he played. Even after he cost his team the game against Nebraska, the media was declaring him a top QB in the draft. He's not great. No pocket awareness. Mediocre accuracy. Strong arm, and downright bad at pre-snap reads. On top of that, there were some odd things occurring in the play calling, such as Colorado down in pts and the play calling never put the game/offense on Sanders arm. It's almost as if Deion would rather lose the game then to put his son in potential situation to lose the game at the expense of chancing wins.

I'd happily take the guy with one of our 3rd round picks. I think there's a very high chance his ceiling in Jamis Winston, maybe even Jake Browning while his floor is Hendon Hooker. I think Rattler is a fine career backup QB to have. I personally love his moxxi and feel really good about his attitude to fight coming into the game to temporarily replace our injured starting QB. I just don't see the point in Sanders.

If you really believe he has a strong arm, Its hard to believe that you've actually watch any games he's played in and that's okay. He isn't even the most mobile QB, either. His whole game is about mechanics & footwork, good decision throws, and what seems like a good understanding of defensive schemes (at least at the college level). If you watch any Cam Ward games, you can clearly see the athleticism, off-schedule throws/trick plays, and arm strength, but he definitely isn't as "nimble" in the pocket or calculated as Sanders. Win or lose, Sanders plays with what seems to be more visible urgency and technicality than Cam, and I think that's something that will make him a better pro than having a big arm with raw talent.

If you have the time, I strongly suggest watching the CU vs CState game in 23'. Great game and a good showcase of Sanders' strengths and weaknesses. Also, that was the game Dallin Holker played himself into the NFL.

 

[DerrickB]

No, I think if Sanders had played in the SEC he would of put up mediocre numbers.

It's hard to seriously view players from the Big 12 as top tier players. That conference is the minor leagues of Power School College football. The gap of competition between that conference and the SEC is probably close to that of the SEC and the NFL.

Mahomes
Baker
Hurts

All came from the Big 12. They're doing pretty well to me.

 

[DerrickB]

NO........"Daddy would be all up in Moore's face....too much drama.

I doubt it