Carr wanted to be traded prior to restructure per NOF and CBSsports

[Judge_Smails]

I put a lot of that on coaching. Mickey's approach of being hands-off and trusting his coach is a blessing and a curse. If you have a good coach, that works. Sadly, for us, Dennis Allen wasn't that. I'm ready to see what CKM approach is going to be

Do you feel bad for Carr thinking Dennis Allen was the HC to join forces with for Act 2 of his career?

Or do you wonder about Carr’s overall judgement/self-awareness for thinking that choosing to join forces with Dennis Allen was a good idea?

 

[Judge_Smails]

I've never seen such a high standard for reporting. Like y'all want insiders to list who they talked to, what they said, where they were when they said it, what they were wearing when they said it, what they had for breakfast the day that they said it...

So crazy, lmao. That's not how it works. An insider has a source, they report what they've heard, and that's that. It's always vague, always has been and always will be. In my 20+ year history of being on this forum I've never seen a reliable report dissected into so many pieces. Next level coping.

No way these dudes believe Mary’s and Joseph’s stories.

 

[DSnfla]

We don't know that he didn't give them a list. All we know is that he asked for a trade and the Saints refused and instead restructured the contract to create cap space.

So, I can't repost the entire article but this is dated March 14and is directly from Nick himself. In bold lettering he said
"Derek Carr was willing to accept a trade"
Willing to accept is nowhere near asking for or demanding a trade .

Nick also said.
"Just a few short weeks ago, Carr was willing to work with the team to facilitate a trade if the right opportunity were there". Again , willing to work with the team not asking for or initiating a trade.

Also in the article
" If Carr really wanted out, perhaps he would have been willing to cut down his salary so that the Saints could lower the current commitment against the cap, thus allowing them to avoid a restructure, and deal him on June 2. For all intents and purposes, the trade could have been agreed upon now but not executed until later. If Carr really wanted out and the team wanted to trade him, the solution was right there. It was easy to find."

I don't see anywhere in this the latest Nick has written where he said DC ASKED for a trade. All I see is that Nick said he was willing to accept a trade
And that is DC really wanted out and the Saints wanted to trade him it would have happened.

 

[DSnfla]

The same is true of Carr asking for a trade and yet you refuse to believe it until Carr confirms it with his own mouth.

When is the last time a player really wanted a trade and didn't come out in public and say that he wanted one? Heck , players even if they don't want a trade say they do for contract leverage, Myles Garrett

 

[IlovemySaints]

Do you feel bad for Carr thinking Dennis Allen was the HC to join forces with for Act 2 of his career?

Or do you wonder about Carr’s overall judgement/self-awareness for thinking that choosing to join forces with Dennis Allen was a good idea?

It was his best opportunity to get paid and start

 

[DSnfla]

I found it and you all can hear it in the tweet below. It's one of Nick's little Matt Bowers Auto-group non $9.95 segments. It's the one linked in the CBS article, and in the OP.

Nick is commenting on the Saints visits to QB's, with the premise that they must be looking for a new QB. He essentially says, "oh by the way, Carr asked for a trade, BEFORE THE RESTRUCTURE.'

Hey Nick, if you're reading this - SHADDUP, or follow some journalistic ethics by giving context and detail to your lazy "free" reporting.



The only real headline here, is that when Mickey decided to exercise his option to restructure, there was a very normal discussion about 'did any options exist, besides the restructure?' THAT'S ALL.

How does Nick even know that? If he does, he should report with context and detail, or do what he does with a lot of other stories - delays or buries it. And if he got it from a source, then just say, "I got this from a well-placed source." (which he did not do to my knowledge.)

The Saints need a future QB and thank God they are running the traps on these prospects. If DA were still here, they would still be getting aroused looking at some safety from Weberville Jones Tech Northwest Montana St, in the Little Plains Conference.

I like Nick, but him saying that DC was "Looking for a trade " is in contradiction to what he wrote in NOF on March 14th. Where he said DC was "Willing to accept a trade" Looking for and willing to accept are 2 different things

 

[texasjefe]

So, I can't repost the entire article but this is dated March 14and is directly from Nick himself. In bold lettering he said
"Derek Carr was willing to accept a trade"
Willing to accept is nowhere near asking for or demanding a trade .

Nick also said.
"Just a few short weeks ago, Carr was willing to work with the team to facilitate a trade if the right opportunity were there". Again , willing to work with the team not asking for or initiating a trade.

Also in the article
" If Carr really wanted out, perhaps he would have been willing to cut down his salary so that the Saints could lower the current commitment against the cap, thus allowing them to avoid a restructure, and deal him on June 2. For all intents and purposes, the trade could have been agreed upon now but not executed until later. If Carr really wanted out and the team wanted to trade him, the solution was right there. It was easy to find."

I don't see anywhere in this the latest Nick has written where he said DC ASKED for a trade. All I see is that Nick said he was willing to accept a trade
And that is DC really wanted out and the Saints wanted to trade him it would have happened.

Q F T, sourced from Nick.

This is a different context than what we got from our member podcaster and member insider, who had no context to give.

 

[DSnfla]

It's not the question of whether DC asked for a trade or was willing to accept a trade that is the issue for me . It's the way the DC detractors twist it to throw shade on him. They say " See he does not want to play for the Saints " or " He wants out, he demanded a trade" as a way of just bashing the guy.

That's the level this DC hatred has gotten to

 

[texasjefe]

The story never had legs. If it were an issue, then there would've been a Schefter tweet about it.

 

[DSnfla]

Bull! That was years ago, and EVERY SINGLE TEAM had to deal with it. Mickey was kicking the can LONG before COVID. If a team can't absorb a down year on the spreadsheet, they have serious financial mismanagement issues.

Can't go along with you on this one. Covid was hardly a down yr. That's like saying the stock market should have been able to overcome the 29 crash.
In fact there were way more signs of the 29 crash then a once is an every 100yrs or so pandemic

 

[texasjefe]

Can't go along with you on this one.

 

[DSnfla]

Ok great, it’s “tenuous at best.” Now what? What exactly is it that people are trying to prove here?

Bottom line is he is our QB for this year, is not the long term solution at QB, and like most teams in our position, are taking finding his replacement very seriously.

Heck, even IF Carr was loved by the team and fans, we ought to be wining and dining with young QB prospects at this stage.

Most Hall of Fame level/multi-Pro Bowl QB types tend to clunk out and lose a significant amount of ability at around age 38. The QBs notches below that seem to clunk out at about 35-36.

Regardless of anything, including the financial situation, we need to be finding his replacement. Even I can acknowledge that.

I don’t believe us being in the QB business is an indicator of ongoing angst.

Yeah it's things like " Tenuous at best" make me think that Nick is chasing clicks. Even the title " It sure looks like the Saints are in the QB business"
seems to be pandering to the we need to get rid of Carr crowd.
And that vid is one that is available free so clicks are wanted.

I'm also thinking that Nick's better contacts are no longer in the building

 

[Tulsa Saint]

The draft cannot come soon enough.

These weekly 20 page Carr threads are really getting old.

 

[LetsGetWaffles]

Going 0-17 would guarantee us Arch or whoever the top QB prospect in the draft would be.

Carr isn’t half the QB Brees was. There was a clear and obvious reason we weren’t scouting QBs when Brees was 33 and are now with Carr.

Which could also land us a bum of a QB like the majority of the past #1 overall QBs. Sure, there are some SB winning and/or HoF QBs who went #1 overall in the last 30 years, but to quote Herm, “You play to win the game,” and I cannot recall any team ever rolling out a squad that wasn’t the best it could’ve possibly been. It would cost people their jobs and destroy whatever culture the organization has.