Sean Payton is showing how fast you can turn teams around (69 Viewers)

I’ve seen people say 5 years to turn around teams, but SP has done it in New Orleans twice and is now doing it again in Denver in 2 years. We can definitely do it quickly with the right coach and another good draft class. We may take a page out of his book when they got rid of Wilson and get rid of Carr and allow Rattler or another rookie qb to take the reins next year.

Need a SP who won't take ... stuff.... from anyone from the league to the GM's to the players

NeverGiveUP2 said:

Need a SP who won't take ... stuff.... from anyone from the league to the GM's to the players

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My buddy says he thinks that we will go after Nick Saban. Because Saban wants to accomplish something in the nfl. He seems like the SP type.

It’s not like SP wasn’t part of our situation

EASports24 said:

My buddy says he thinks that we will go after Nick Saban. Because Saban wants to accomplish something in the nfl. He seems like the SP type.

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I'd love it but I think the GOAT is retired

EASports24 said:

I’ve seen people say 5 years to turn around teams, but SP has done it in New Orleans twice and is now doing it again in Denver in 2 years. We can definitely do it quickly with the right coach and another good draft class. We may take a page out of his book when they got rid of Wilson and get rid of Carr and allow Rattler or another rookie qb to take the reins next year.

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Get rid of Loomis

EASports24 said:

My buddy says he thinks that we will go after Nick Saban. Because Saban wants to accomplish something in the nfl. He seems like the SP type.

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If Saban would go back to the pros it would definitely prove how much he hates the NIL system. In the pros he would let someone else worry about the salary cap stuff.

NeverGiveUP2 said:

I'd love it but I think the GOAT is retired

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The GOAT is coaching in Chapel Hill.

EASports24 said:

I’ve seen people say 5 years to turn around teams, but SP has done it in New Orleans twice and is now doing it again in Denver in 2 years. We can definitely do it quickly with the right coach and another good draft class. We may take a page out of his book when they got rid of Wilson and get rid of Carr and allow Rattler or another rookie qb to take the reins next year.

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Two different cap situations correct? One he helped screw up if so. It's a lot easier when you're not in cap hell.

EASports24 said:

I’ve seen people say 5 years to turn around teams, but SP has done it in New Orleans twice and is now doing it again in Denver in 2 years. We can definitely do it quickly with the right coach and another good draft class. We may take a page out of his book when they got rid of Wilson and get rid of Carr and allow Rattler or another rookie qb to take the reins next year.

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If he were that good he’d still be here and we’d be in the playoffs. He wrecked this car and found another one. He went to a place that had the cap space to get rid of Wilson. Because of him we need to keep Carr just to get under the cap.

Man that’s our coach

Saint Greg said:

If he were that good he’d still be here and we’d be in the playoffs. He wrecked this car and found another one. He went to a place that had the cap space to get rid of Wilson. Because of him we need to keep Carr just to get under the cap.

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It’s amazing that people still blame Payton for the cap mess we’re in and he’s been gone for over three years. The Saints signed Carr two years after Payton left, yet he’s the reason that the Saints need to keep Carr

EASports24 said:

My buddy says he thinks that we will go after Nick Saban. Because Saban wants to accomplish something in the nfl. He seems like the SP type.

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Nick Saban's is in his early 70's and he retired from NCAAF at Alabama because essentially due to NIL and the transfer portal, he couldn't control or didn't have de facto command over his players anymore. Now, all of a sudden, you can't tell 4-5 star Recruits to wait their turn and sit on the bench for a couple of seasons until the seniors at their positions have graduated and moved on. If he had a difficult, aggravating time adjusting to the brand-new landscape of college football, considering he's in his early 70's, he'd struggle even more mightily as an NFL HC then he did with Miami 20 years ago when he was younger. When Saban left Miami in the middle of the 2006 season, he was accepting or realizing that it would take a lot more work, focus and concentration to win there then in NCAAF. Plus, he massively screwed up being overly cautious when it came to not giving Brees more money and watched as Drew re-wrote the record books and reinvented Saints history over the next 15 years.

Saban had his shot at being a successful NFL HC and through a series of bad decisions, one historical misstep, and abandoning his team midway through the 2006 season, he gave the perception he couldn't cut it as an NFL HC. Whether that's in reality fair or not is moot point but in the NFL, as Steve Young once said, perception is reality and ultimately you're judged on what you've accomplished, not potential. In the NFL, Saban can't be the tyrant, bullying and calling out multi-millionaire players like T.J. Watt, Nick and Joey Bosa, Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. He would be a great position coach like he was in Cleveland under Belichick because that's mostly about X's and O's, not running a whole team and managing people.

Bill said:

If Saban would go back to the pros it would definitely prove how much he hates the NIL system. In the pros he would let someone else worry about the salary cap stuff.

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He'd still have to deal with it, albeit maybe it a little less often and more indirectly in context of drafting the right guys for his system and going after FA's to better the team but being told he may not be able to get 75-80% of them in the offseason. Plus, he can't boss around guys like Cameron Jordan, Derek Carr or Alvin Kamara like their wide-eyed, scared 19-year old freshmen who've barely been out in the world, in the NFL, college greats like Saban can't be the absolute, terrifying tyrants (most college HC's can't be that way anymore either).


Plus, seeing that he's in his early 70's, he wouldn't be a long-term investment and NFL GM's and owners want younger, more experienced HC's like Mike Vrabel or Jason Garrett (if he ever decided to give NFL coaching one more chance). Then there's up-and-coming coordinators like Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn. I've heard some rumors that if Jerry Jones does indeed to not renew Mike McCarthy's contract, his first, likeliest candidate will probably be Mike Vrabel or if not him, Ben Johnson. Those two will be his most plausible picks ever since Bill Belichick decided to go the college route amongst the pines of Chapel Hill, NC.

los226 said:

It’s amazing that people still blame Payton for the cap mess we’re in and he’s been gone for over three years. The Saints signed Carr two years after Payton left, yet he’s the reason that the Saints need to keep Carr

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What about this part of our cap? We could cut Carr without these Payton era liabilities. He also set us back 3 years by recommending DA to replace him.