Sean Payton is showing how fast you can turn teams around (74 Viewers)

[UpHere]

I only watched the highlight pack, but Nix looks very good - looks like a hit on that pick

 

[Trey W.]

I think what most fans here forget to realize is that the only player the Broncos had a lot of money tied up in was Wilson and they also traded off some players for draft picks. Then they hit on drafting a QB so that salary offsets the dead money from Wilson.

However, we have quite a few older players who are strong holding our salary cap that we can’t just cut and be done with in one season like Denver. Cam Jordan, Derek Carr, Demario Davis, & Ram are stuck on our books for at least 2-3 more years all at significant amounts.

The only way we could turn this franchise around in 1-2 years is trade down in the draft and acquire a lot of picks and hope we hit on most. Building through the draft is the way to really do it but we need quite a few starters and a lot of depth to get better. And we don’t have anymore really good players we can trade for draft picks. Latt was one of our best and we only got a 3rd, 4th, & 6th for him.

I would love to see this team turn it around in one year, and it could very well happen if we get the right HC and coordinators. The key is Loomis needs to stop with this pushing money down the road and just eat some of these salaries and be done with them.

 

[los226]

What about this part of our cap? We could cut Carr without these Payton era liabilities. He also set us back 3 years by recommending DA to replace him.

The cap situation is Loomis and Co. Why don’t you post all the cap moves that Loomis has made the past three years? Because those show that the same strategy that was deployed when Payton was here is the same strategy used today.

Loomis was in win now mode when Brees was QB and Loomis is still in win now mode four years later. That is why the cap is a mess and the use of draft picks have been questionable.

Open your eyes and also see that Loomis clearly believes in sign a FA QB and draft one late on hopes of finding your franchise QB. Payton leaves and drafts a first round QB immediately in his new situation. I believe people think that Payton had more control than what they believe. And I believe he left because he was sick of the way the team was managed and had been trying to leave since Tom Benson died as he was probably the moderator between Loomis and Payton.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

My buddy says he thinks that we will go after Nick Saban. Because Saban wants to accomplish something in the nfl. He seems like the SP type.

Saban is an old man now. The Saints are not going after a coach who is in his 70s.

 

[Lazarus]

He's got his next Drew Brees in Denver

 

[Grumpy Old Manatee]

Payton’s poor clock management last night sure did show how to turn a game around.

 

[lilvipa221]

What about this part of our cap? We could cut Carr without these Payton era liabilities. He also set us back 3 years by recommending DA to replace him.

Those dead cap hits wouldn't exist if Loomis didnt sign Carr with money we didn't have.

 

[NeverGiveUP2]

The GOAT is coaching in Chapel Hill.

Not hardly... Nor was his QB the GOAT

But for today MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SWJJ]

Let's be real for a second.

Sean walked into a significantly better situation in Denver than he did here. He didn't really have to turn a whole franchise around at all. Denver's roster was LOADED when he took over. The broncos were NOT in disarray they were just poorly coached. Basically all he had to do was come in, give Wilson enough rope to hang himself, cut Wilson and draft a moldable QB. When he got to Denver they had one of the best defenses in the league, multiple capable wide receivers and a young stud running back.

 

[gregh]

saw Jeff Duncan on X talking about Payton last night, someone asked him if it was true that after Paytons year off he asked to come back and management told him no they were sticking with Allen. Duncan said thats what he had heard at the time. is that true? if so thats a firing offense..

 

[Que Que 6]

LOL, there are people on the board who prefer a softer, gentler coach. Hence, the outrage of some for Rizzi's outburst toward a player last week. Get a leader of men around here (if not Rizzi) and a solid plan to move forward.

Need a SP who won't take ... stuff.... from anyone from the league to the GM's to the players

 

[St. Widge]

It’s amazing that people still blame Payton for the cap mess we’re in and he’s been gone for over three years. The Saints signed Carr two years after Payton left, yet he’s the reason that the Saints need to keep Carr

It's amazing people don't understand that the reason we went into "cap debt" is to keep all the players Payton wanted to stay in the chase for another championship. You can't reverse that in a year. It takes time and has been going on since Payton left with one blip to sign a QB that can keep the team at least competing for a playoff spot. So, yes, Payton is part of the reason we are in the cap situation we are in.

And our lack of depth and money to sign free agents is a result of the effort to get the cap under control. Although the lack of depth is really much more about not drafting good enough and not having enough draft picks rather than lack of cap space. The way to make up for lack of cap space is to have a lot of good young players on rookie contracts.

Carr isn't the reason teh cap is messed up. Having to keep Carr is a symptom of the cap situation that Payton helped to create. And frankly, it was worth it to remain a team competing for a championship for 15 or 20 years. Now we have to pay for it, but I'll take the swap. I think they should have bit the bullet and not signed Carr. But, he's not the reason we are in the cap situation we are in and at least it's being done now. We will be fine with the cap in another year or two when we can start the process all over again.

Payton knew this was coming and instead of helping to get out of it he left for a team in a better situation. I get it, he doesn't owe us anything and I don't have hard feelings toward him, but those are the facts of the situation.

 

[St. Widge]

saw Jeff Duncan on X talking about Payton last night, someone asked him if it was true that after Paytons year off he asked to come back and management told him no they were sticking with Allen. Duncan said thats what he had heard at the time. is that true? if so thats a firing offense..

I don't believe that for a minute. I think that was Payton trying to drum up interest by convincing teams that he would come back here if he didn't get the offer he wanted elsewhere. Duncan is always the dupe of anyone looking to leak things to help gain leverage.

 

[St. Widge]

LOL, there are people on the board who prefer a softer, gentler coach. Hence, the outrage of some for Rizzi's outburst toward a player last week. Get a leader of men around here (if not Rizzi) and a solid plan to move forward.

For the 1,000th time. It's not about kinder and gentler, it's about not acting like a 3 year-old and being a professional.

 

[Saintman2884]

Let's be real for a second.

Sean walked into a significantly better situation in Denver than he did here. He didn't really have to turn a whole franchise around at all. Denver's roster was LOADED when he took over. The broncos were NOT in disarray they were just poorly coached. Basically all he had to do was come in, give Wilson enough rope to hang himself, cut Wilson and draft a moldable QB. When he got to Denver they had one of the best defenses in the league, multiple capable wide receivers and a young stud running back.

(1) Okay, was Russell Wilson really the problem in Denver? Because he's managed to bounce back pretty nicely in Pittsburgh albeit more as a "don't screw it up" game-manager QB plus he's surrounded by maybe his best overall supporting casts in maybe 5 years with Steelers defense, Najee Harris, a decent TE and some good WR's like George Pickens? He's 36 years old and if he does okay in Pittsburgh for the next 1-2 years, it might actually improve his HOF chances that were severely diminished by his time in Denver? I just don't think Wilson in Denver was a good fit plus bad, inept coaching kept any momentum from building. Sometimes, very good QB's will never fit in with other teams' schemes or offenses.

(2) Overall, I agree bad coaching was mostly what was keeping Denver out of contention, but it was also trying to replace a huge void in that Pat Bowlen, IMHO, one of the best, yet over-looked owners in NFL history about 11-12 years ago started having Alzheimer's/dementia issues and these health problems worsened, John Elway took on more of a prominent role as personnel decision-making. For several years it worked due to Denver's "No Fly Zone" Defense and acquiring Peyton Manning but those were done in consultation with Bowlen, once he was pretty much out of the picture by 2015, even though they won SB 50, a series of bad drafts, poor decisions regarding Payton's eventual successor, and an aging, less effective defense saw Denver hit its worst point since the early 70's. After Kubiak left, they also hired some bad, mediocre HC's like Vance Joseph until Payton arrived. Until this season, SWJJ, Denver hadn't had a winning season since Obama's last year in office in 2016.

It was indeed a product of a series of bad coaching hires but that was arguably due to having one of the smartest, most successful NFL owners over the previous 30 years be forced to leave the game due to medical issues and less-competent, poor talent evaluating personnel types take his place. John Elway stopped being such an effective, winning GM after 2016 and it wasn't until a new ownership group with its own perspective made the best football-related decision ever by hiring Sean Payton.

(3) Payton didn't arrive in Denver with his custom-built QB so while Denver wasnt a total rebuild in terms of talented positions being stacked, here in New Orleans very early on, he knew what he had with Brees and what he had accomplished in San Diego and even more excitedly, what the both of them were going to do for a very long time to come. In Denver he add to make some substitutions, add and subtract a couple of people and selected a very good QB in Bo Nix who has a lot of potential.

(4) Payton's Broncos are sort of stuck in same difficult conundrum Mora's Saints were from the mid-late 80's--early 90's: a very good, talented team stuck in an ultra-competitive, super-tough and hard AFC West with the NFL's next ascendent Dynasty, Reid's Kansas City Chiefs. As long as Kansas City has Mahomes and their defenses stay good, they can afford to lose future HOF'ers like Travis Kelce. He's not easily replaceable, mind you but the NFL MVP throwing the ball to him has this penchant for making almost-superhuman plays and can make average offenses look pretty good. Plus, Denver has a very competitive Chargers team with a great Pro Bowl QB and a revamped defense plus a charismatic, fiery new HC who has a history of restoring struggling programs/teams like with the 49ers and Michigan.