According to Brett Favre's Book , The Vikings were also running a bounty program. (2 Viewers)

[blackadder]

Don’t get caught up in the bait to call it a bounty program. No matter how many times people call it that, it was a pay for performance program, very similar if not identical to what most teams had employed at the time. The NFL TWISTED the narrative to fit their need to show the world they were focused on player safety and concussions. The facts are:

1.). The Saints were in the top tier of least injured opposing players that year.

2.) It was a different era of football, where hitting people was allowed. The Saints game plan was to hit the QB as much and as often as possible, a technique used to effect the timing of the opposing offense. All the veteran QBs that we faced in the playoffs that year suffered the same pressure. Yes, the high-low hit on farve should have been flagged, BUT that play does not justify the nfl saying we had a “bounty” program to injure players.

3.). There was NEVER any specific proof, that panned out more than a reach from the NFL, proving there was anything more than a “pay for porformance” program.

In conclusion, you will never convice anyone that wants to believe the saints had a program to injure players otherwise, because it fits their narrative of being butt hurt and petty. The Saints were equivalently taken to trial and proven innocent, but who cares about the facts? The facts are simple. The saints had a pay for performance program, JUST like everyone else.

And did the high low look deliberate?

Looked as much like both big guys moving that fast converged in an unfortunate way.

Only the players know if any of that was intentional.

 

[picnicwithfish]

And did the high low look deliberate?

Looked as much like both big guys moving that fast converged in an unfortunate way.

Only the players know if any of that was intentional.

Totally agree. Not saying it was a “bounty” hit. Simply saying it was a hit that should have been flagged for the high low. “That” play is the play that people use as an example of “see, they where trying to injure people”.

 

[RiverRat]

There are official NFL contracts that include performance based incentives. Sacks, interceptions, tackles, whatever. How are these any different than players throwing their own money into a pool to encourage game changing plays?

 

[SweetT]

Those teams didn’t have Gregg Williams running his mouth about “Remember Me” shots.

Or “Kill the head and the body will die”!!!

 

[UFCSaint]

Totally agree. Not saying it was a “bounty” hit. Simply saying it was a hit that should have been flagged for the high low. “That” play is the play that people use as an example of “see, they where trying to injure people”.

That hit was not flagged correct? I remember thinking there was only one of those hits that should've been flagged and I don't think it was. The one that kills me is the one where they ran a reverse and Favre got wiped out. Sorry, he is a runner at that point. And I love pointing out that play when Favre played for the Jets...and he ended a guy's season.

 

[picnicwithfish]

Or “Kill the head and the body will die”!!!

If you have ever been in a locker room, people talk like that constantly. It is called metaphorically speaking. People use to do this all the time before the age of offending people for looking at them the wrong way. If you take his quote literal, then there isn’t much I can do to convince you otherwise. For example, When the Clemson football team went to the White House and it was quoted “there were enough hamburgers to stack a mile high” which was obviously a metaphor to express that there were a lot of hamburgers there, some people actually thought it was a literal statement and even fact checked this quote to break down that 300 hamburgers at 3 inches wouldn’t stack up to a mile high?!?!?! At some point, to fit a narrative you can take ANY quote or action to twist it to fit your liking to help your argument. “Kill the head and the body will die” was used as a rally cry prior to that game and will be used as long as there are sporting events.

 

[Big_L]

A quick search of Queen boards and no mention of this . . .

 

[picnicwithfish]

That hit was not flagged correct? I remember thinking there was only one of those hits that should've been flagged and I don't think it was. The one that kills me is the one where they ran a reverse and Favre got wiped out. Sorry, he is a runner at that point. And I love pointing out that play when Favre played for the Jets...and he ended a guy's season.

Correct. That play did not get flagged. Technically to the rule book, it should have been. The refs missed it.

 

[DoubleSaint]

Those teams didn’t have Gregg Williams running his mouth about “Remember Me” shots.

The Giants publicly said they had discussed and deliberately went after Kyle Williams of the 49ers to take him out of the game. He had previous concussion issues and they tried to give him another one.
Nothing was done. Whether they put a price on it is up for debate.
That was the NFCCG after the 49ers beat us, right before Bountygate.

 

[Saint Jack]

The Giants publicly said they had discussed and deliberately went after Kyle Williams of the 49ers to take him out of the game. He had previous concussion issues and they tried to give him another one.
Nothing was done. Whether they put a price on it is up for debate.
That was the NFCCG after the 49ers beat us, right before Bountygate.

The League wasn’t facing a multi billion dollar concussion lawsuit at the time.

 

[broccoli60]

If I remember right weren’t we near the bottom of the league in both personal fouls and actually causing players to leave the game for the three years we supposedly had this bounty program?

When they looked at the numbers our offense put more opposing defensive players out of games than our defense put offensive opponent players out.

 

[blotch1]

Or “Kill the head and the body will die”!!!

The league didn't seem to care that the Chiefs had that same phrase painted on the wall in their training facility,

 

[Kingpin123]

I'm having fun with this with a friend that is a queens season ticket holder. His crawfishing is hilarious. I'll try to post some later.

 

[picnicwithfish]

Copied this from a friend:

If you still wanna die defending the molehill of the 09 game and the bountygate farce....well you're just a bitter uneducated fan. The rules for quarterback protection were wayyy different then. None of those hits were illegal, flagged or fined. As far as bountygate goes....do some homework. That was an absolute farce. An independent arbitrator, who was actually goodell's mentor, even told him 'you've got nothing here and this is not the way you change the culture of the league' and dropped all player suspensions to no evidence. The reason Payton, William's and Loomis were suspended was because there is no coaches union like the NFLPA has. So no backing and Goodell held his own kangaroo court and acted as judge jury and executioner because hes a power monger. So there was no legal backing, no independent arbitration, no appeal process. It's also funny that the game and player the nfl referenced as 'proof' as bounty was Thomas Davis of Carolina.....a linebacker who btw....was injured and tore his acl while backpedaling into coverage. Sounds like a true bounty system. The only pay for play 'evidence ' the league could produce was a ledger listing monetary amounts for performance plays like $500 for an interception, sack, forced fumble etc. Not one mention of injuring an opponent. Real bounty system there huh? So please, do some homework before trying to drag that garbage out. Or maybe remember the Vikings had 4 fumbles and 2 ints, a crucial 12 in the huddle penalty, and a brutal pick by Favre with the game on the line that you're taught not to throw in 7th grade. That must be due to legally hitting QB hard. NOW, back to real issue at hand....

 

[duhonmark551]

Or “Kill the head and the body will die”!!!

Chronologically speaking, that Gleason/Pamphilon video documentary wasn't released until AFTER Williams and Payton were suspended. That was a self inflicted wound (by Fujita I suppose), because it had the video and audio that Goodell and his media minions subsequently used to beat down the club. The initial evidence against the team was sparse, in hindsight.