any of our 4-3 vets have value to other teams? (2 Viewers)

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TruSaint said:
vilma an OLB?? What are u smoking? OLB's in a 3-4 are basically undersized 4-3 defensive ends
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So you are saying OLB are bigger and more physical than inside linebackers in 3-4 defense? Vilma is too small for 3-4 inside linebacker....

Hawthorne 6' 245
Vilma 6'1 230

Outside linebacker in 3-4 plays D gap responsibility or 7 tech/9 tech with mostly contain /pass rush/coverage responsibility....ILBs play over guards and have to be more physical taking on run more often or dropping straight back into underneath middle zones...you tell me if Vilma fits this role better than Hawthorne or Lofton? Vilma is more of a sideline to sideline LB who is no longer very effective taking on run blockers and seemed to be out of position playing MLB in 4-3 lately. In today's 3-4 defenses I agree OLBs are getting bigger and faster but the ILB-especially SILB need to also be big and physical...maybe Vilma can play WILB but IMO I think he is more of a 4-3 OLB now even though he has played inside linebacker or MLB his entire career...he is kind of a tweener for 3-4 defense.
 
Bigeasy75 said:
So you are saying OLB are bigger and more physical than inside linebackers in 3-4 defense? Vilma is too small for 3-4 inside linebacker....

Hawthorne 6' 245
Vilma 6'1 230

Outside linebacker in 3-4 plays D gap responsibility or 7 tech/9 tech with mostly contain /pass rush/coverage responsibility....ILBs play over guards and have to be more physical taking on run more often or dropping straight back into underneath middle zones...you tell me if Vilma fits this role better than Hawthorne or Lofton? Vilma is more of a sideline to sideline LB who is no longer very effective taking on run blockers and seemed to be out of position playing MLB in 4-3 lately. In today's 3-4 defenses I agree OLBs are getting bigger and faster but the ILB-especially SILB need to also be big and physical...maybe Vilma can play WILB but IMO I think he is more of a 4-3 OLB now even though he has played inside linebacker or MLB his entire career...he is kind of a tweener for 3-4 defense.
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When did I say that??? Please... u dont need to explain to me about schemes and systems. U are assuming since I said Vilma cant play OLB in a 3-4 that he can play ILB in a 3-4 which I dont think he can. His game is based on speed, intelligent and finesse, his best position is ILB in a 4-3

U know the old saying that u shouldn't assume?
Try to keep up.
 
If the worst starting qb in the NFL from a couple years ago couldn't fetch a 7th round pick for the Jets, how are you going to expect anything but laughed at trying to trade a player (that fits your description) from the worst defense in NFL history?
 
Bigeasy75 said:
Tez and Vilma are 3-4 OLB....Hawthorne will probably start at ILB for us at least initially.....
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Vilma is not a 3-4 OLB. 3-4 OLB have to rush the passer and should be like 260-270 lbs...at least 250...

Tez can play OLB but his best position is probably ILB.
 
TruSaint said:
When did I say that??? Please... u dont need to explain to me about schemes and systems. U are assuming since I said Vilma cant play OLB in a 3-4 that he can play ILB in a 3-4 which I dont think he can. His game is based on speed, intelligent and finesse, his best position is ILB in a 4-3

U know the old saying that u shouldn't assume?
Try to keep up.
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So expert....where is Vilma going to play this year...ILB or OLB?
 
zigzag said:
was thinkin smith,vilma,hawthorne,harper,johnson,herring,greer.the young players we're bringing in should make these players expendable

don't see any of these as starters for next season
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haha, that's a pretty naive opinion. When was the last time the "young players" we brought in after a draft supplanted multiple veteran starters?? How bout we wait until camp at least to start forming these wild theories?
 
whodatdb said:
Vilma is not a 3-4 OLB. 3-4 OLB have to rush the passer and should be like 260-270 lbs...at least 250...

Tez can play OLB but his best position is probably ILB.
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Vilma isn't a 3-4 ILB either...so where will he play?
 
Bigeasy75 said:
So expert....where is Vilma going to play this year...ILB or OLB?
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He will play ILB in our nickel package because of how great he is in coverage. in ur nickel package ur OLBs switch to DE and both ur DEs kick in to DT so its a 4-2 front
 
TruSaint said:
He will play ILB in our nickel package because of how great he is in coverage. in ur nickel package ur OLBs switch to DE and both ur DEs kick in to DT so its a 4-2 front
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Not always-in some schemes outside linebackers drop into coverage-depends
 

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