Biggest Question After the Falcons Game ?? (1 Viewer)

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

Biggest thing I noticed: all the issues Adebo had this year, Taylor also has.

The Saints need a defensive coaching staff overhaul. Hodges is good, but DL and DB has been just in a state of constant regression.

I said multiple times during the game that we need a new secondary coach. Aaron Glenn was a superstar and we have yet to replace him with someone who can teach better technique.

 

[SaintswonSBXLIV]

Yes he did and Saunders had an INT a few games ago, but that doesn’t mean they’re playing great. Ridgeway has done ok but he’s not a game changer or someone the Offense has to game plan for. He’s just a decent rotational guy.

Shepard has 23 tackles and 0.5 sack.
Saunders has 16 tackles and 1 sack.
Breese has 13 tackles and 4 sacks.
Ridgeway has 8 tackles and 0 sacks.

Our D-line has been a weak link this season. Alonte Taylor is tied with Breese for team lead in sacks with 4.

We’re 28th in the NFL in rush defense and 29th in passing defense. These stats do not include the ATL game. I got these rankings form NFL.com

Biggest area of need other than a franchise QB is DT. Second biggest area of need? Guard and Tight End tied for second.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Yeah, the run defense is all sorts of atrocious. It’s like not if but when a running back is going to rip off a long run and for the most part, opposing backs are picking up like 5-6 yds before they are even touched. It’s deeply frustrating to watch.

Don’t forget when they are touched but then the RB breaks the tackle for X more yards

 

[Rexman100]

Turner was hardly a force, he played much better today but his main issue and it has nothing to do with DA is HEALTH . The same thing almost with Miller other than KM had trouble picking up the O.
Perry has done nothing in Den even with SP there. He didn't see the field here because he was awful in practice and to KK you have to see it in practice 1st.
CGJ did ok when he was here but he thought he was a top S and he's not and all he is now is a decent nickel

While DA is ultimately responsible I think the DL's issues are with Grantham. he likes light fast DL and that's not conducive to stopping the run . looks like Rizz may think so as well since he made Young DL coach and Grantham a D advisor

I don’t know the snap count, but it did seem like Ridgeway got a lot of snaps. Anyone know if it was more than normal, or just due to injuries?

 

[sfidc3]

Can they continue to turn the positive momentum into more wins, they will be getting some players back soon notably McCoy, that should help.....

More often than not an interim coach wins the 1st game and the momentum cools, lets see what happens....

 

[Pkessling]

Yeah, the run defense is all sorts of atrocious. It’s like not if but when a running back is going to rip off a long run and for the most part, opposing backs are picking up like 5-6 yds before they are even touched. It’s deeply frustrating to watch.

We still mainly play a 4-2 even against teams that we know are going to run the football. Both our starting LBs are a little slow, so teams attack the edges. The Falcons consistently attacked Pete Werner. Moved him out of his gap assignment with motion. Forced him to try and cover RBs on pass plays.
I would like to see a little more 3 LB schemes on early downs. It seem’s like every team gets 5-8 yards running the ball on 1st down. Where we get a yard running AK between the tackles on 1st down.

 

[TenTwo]

Biggest thing I noticed: all the issues Adebo had this year, Taylor also has.

The Saints need a defensive coaching staff overhaul. Hodges is good, but DL and DB has been just in a state of constant regression.

What are your even talking about? And how did 6 people like this?!

This team has never in it's HISTORY ever had better coaching for defensive backs than it does now. If you disagree, please provide literally ANY meaningful statistic that indicates otherwise.

"The issues with Adebo"

Just stop. You have no idea how to evaluate cornerback play. You think a couple trumped up PI flags means they aren't getting coached. Look at every play, compile data against all other NFL secondaries, then come back here and report on how you really had no idea what you were talking about and post a thread about it.

 

[Saint KayBee]

In his first year as HC, he didn’t use AK41, MT, and Hill the way Payton did.

Also consider the possibility that Payton’s second-in-command (Pete Carmichael) didn’t trust the post-Brees QBs to run the system as well as Brees did. The 2022 season was the first time since 2000 that Brees & Carmichael didn’t stand on the same sideline together. They’d spent Brees’ five years in San Diego and his entire NO career in tandem.

He tried to use a power running game first, with receivers and TEs last.

The 2022 WR room was dank and the perceived strength of the team was the right side of the OL, with Ramczyk, Ruiz, and McCoy all operating there. I’d have led with the run game too, also as a protective measure to buffer the non-Brees QBs.

He didn’t have the horses in the stable to be able to do that.

Kamara, Hill, Murray once he returned, and Ingram for the remainder of a season is a pretty powerful stable of RBs

He should have stuck with what was working under Payton until he had the players to make the change.

Hard to do with bad personnel and no Brees

And he blamed PC for the offense not working. It wasn’t working mostly because he didn’t allow PC to call the plays that would work based on the personnel in the building.

My biggest critique of PC is that he didn’t call plays with any kind of flow in mind. It felt like he swapped players in and out just to do it, instead of being in service of exploiting a matchup. An example I have of this being done well was the 2011 Texans game - Lance Moore was torturing a young Kareem Jackson so he stayed on the field with every WR grouping. Pete’s system felt like just trying to make sure everyone got to play like a Little League game

 

[meily]

Well, of course he wouldn’t have maliciously mismanaged the roster. But that doesn’t mean he did a good job of managing it. Too many defensive players that didn’t develop under him are starting and playing well on other teams. And then we find out DA put Kendre Miller on ice for no reason. And now players that were invisible are suddenly making plays like Turner. There’s a common denominator here.

Baun and or Ellis should be hybrid edge rushers on this defense, but he tried to turn them into linebackers and really only let them rush when we had injuries to DE, when he should of created a hybrid defense that featured their strengths especially since it was back to back years they skillset was targeted, I mean we created a position for MJ, VB and CGJ (which we got away from) so Baun and Ellis should of been able to play to their strengths also, like they are now in Philly and ATL.

 

[SAINT BIGAL]

A man who IRs a healthy player isn’t capable of maliciously mismanaging a roster?

Of course he’s capable but did he put Miller on IR out of spite? That’s a rhetorical??? Personally, I believe he did but it’s sad there is no recourse.

 

[pierce2poydras]

Of course he’s capable but did he put Miller on IR out of spite? That’s a rhetorical??? Personally, I believe he did but it’s sad there is no recourse.

I’m not sure if I’d say it was out of spite, but when the insane conspiracy theorist in me starts creeping up, I start letting myself think it could have been him doing it just to have another injury loss to point to in order to justify how bad things had gotten on the field.

 

[Centmssaint1]

Also consider the possibility that Payton’s second-in-command (Pete Carmichael) didn’t trust the post-Brees QBs to run the system as well as Brees did. The 2022 season was the first time since 2000 that Brees & Carmichael didn’t stand on the same sideline together. They’d spent Brees’ five years in San Diego and his entire NO career in tandem.

The 2022 WR room was dank and the perceived strength of the team was the right side of the OL, with Ramczyk, Ruiz, and McCoy all operating there. I’d have led with the run game too, also as a protective measure to buffer the non-Brees QBs.

Kamara, Hill, Murray once he returned, and Ingram for the remainder of a season is a pretty powerful stable of RBs

Hard to do with bad personnel and no Brees

My biggest critique of PC is that he didn’t call plays with any kind of flow in mind. It felt like he swapped players in and out just to do it, instead of being in service of exploiting a matchup. An example I have of this being done well was the 2011 Texans game - Lance Moore was torturing a young Kareem Jackson so he stayed on the field with every WR grouping. Pete’s system felt like just trying to make sure everyone got to play like a Little League game

Dennis Allen had his thumb on that offense just like he was doing with KK after those first two games. Got way too conservative.

 

[DSnfla]

Of course he did. Payton didn’t exactly leave the cupboard bare. DA started to immediately dismantle what Payton was doing.

LOL , No real starting QB and often injured WR, a declining OL , a DL pretty much in shambles
And how did DA immediately dismantle that SP was doing?? LOL He kept PC and JW and tried to fix our holes @ WR and OL
I'm with everyone else that DA was not a good HC but trying to keep what SP was doing was the wrong way to go, he should have gotten a new OC from the get go. In fact he could have gotten KK in 21 when they let the whole O coaching staff go when O'Donnel came in. The team needed talent

 

[DSnfla]

In his first year as HC, he didn’t use AK41, MT, and Hill the way Payton did. He tried to use a power running game first, with receivers and TEs last. He didn’t have the horses in the stable to be able to do that. He should have stuck with what was working under Payton until he had the players to make the change. And he blamed PC for the offense not working. It wasn’t working mostly because he didn’t allow PC to call the plays that would work based on the personnel in the building.

SMH DA may be a much more conservative HC than SP but he let PC do his thing until it failed miserably. PC was good at play design but a bad play caller.

 

[DSnfla]

I said multiple times during the game that we need a new secondary coach. Aaron Glenn was a superstar and we have yet to replace him with someone who can teach better technique.

You do know that just because a DPI is called does not actually mean it happened, right?
DA while not a good HC is one of the best DCs in the league, AND he may be the best DB coach. He takes marginal players and makes them good