YouTube Cam Jordan: Brees is the GOAT over Brady... St. Brown Podcast (1 Viewer)

[schuetter]

A lot to unravel in your post.

Those INT's came after our TE fumbled away our chance to go up by at least 10 if not 14. After that happened Drew was forced to take chances and yes he we a shell of himself at that point in his career

I can objectively say DB = GOAT and it's not even close. The case for Brady are the rings. A deeper dive into those rings would reveal he was extraordinarily fortunate in 3 or 4 of those runs while DB was extraordinarily unfortunate in at least 2. I will concede that TB is the most accomplished but DB is the best QB who ever played the game

I can provide support for that assertion but don't feel like typing anymore...lol

That’s not an objective opinion, respectively. We all got to watch and admire Drew for a long time, but he was always just one notch below Brady. TB going to Tampa and winning immediately slammed the door shut on any real discussion of other QB’s being the GOAT.

 

[Turfie]

The saddest thing is I don’t think Brees will age very well in terms of all time QB rankings.

No league MVPs. “Only” one AP1. “Only” one SB trophy.

For non saints fans it could be hard to have Brees in a tier above the Marino/Elway/Young tier.

On the flip side, I think history will be very kind to Eli.

 

[SirLoinSaint64]

Brees won a Super Bowl with the Saints. The New Orleans Saints. That one ring is worth five. There's been so many great QB's who played through many decades and stages of the game. Guys like Marino who never won a ring. Eli won two and his Brother was leaps and bounds a better QB. It's fun to talk about. It's a blessing to have seen so many play through the years. Mahomes has a real shot before he's done to end the discussion.

 

[SweetT]

The saddest thing is I don’t think Brees will age very well in terms of all time QB rankings.

No league MVPs. “Only” one AP1. “Only” one SB trophy.

For non saints fans it could be hard to have Brees in a tier above the Marino/Elway/Young tier.

On the flip side, I think history will be very kind to Eli.

I read a bunch of articles about Drew in the year after he retired. A lot of those articles coined him as “A great QB” just not a “A great winner”. They docked him points for his .500 record in the postseason. Which is fair, but us Saints fans, understand that our defense let him down too many times. Outsiders won’t remember that though. He’s my GOAT and that is all that matters to me

 

[26ISTHEMAN]

That’s not an objective opinion, respectively. We all got to watch and admire Drew for a long time, but he was always just one notch below Brady. TB going to Tampa and winning immediately slammed the door shut on any real discussion of other QB’s being the GOAT.

Didn't Tampa have the #1 defense that year or something close to #1? Drew was routinely saddled with some of the worst defenses ever, and in a team sport, that's usually the difference between winning championships and not.

IMO, Drew was the greatest QB of all time.

 

[schuetter]

Didn't Tampa have the #1 defense that year or something close to #1? Drew was routinely saddled with some of the worst defenses ever, and in a team sport, that's usually the difference between winning championships and not.

IMO, Drew was the greatest QB of all time.

He certainly had help from the defense the years he won the Super Bowl. Tampa was 8th that year. To me, what puts him atop the list was his will to win, nearly always rising to big occasions, and ability to improve every player on the team by demanding greatness from the top down. I can't think of an instance where Tom made a huge mistake in the crucial last moments of a playoff game. That's not to say he was perfect. The man made mistakes, but he just seemed to be at his best and always the best player on the field during those moments.

Drew had all of the ability of Tom and even some things better, but I didn't always see those same winning attributes as consistently in those big moments. And I love Drew regardless of my assertions here.

 

[BreesusSaves]

He certainly had help from the defense the years he won the Super Bowl. Tampa was 8th that year. To me, what puts him atop the list was his will to win, nearly always rising to big occasions, and ability to improve every player on the team by demanding greatness from the top down. I can't think of an instance where Tom made a huge mistake in the crucial last moments of a playoff game. That's not to say he was perfect. The man made mistakes, but he just seemed to be at his best and always the best player on the field during those moments.

Drew had all of the ability of Tom and even some things better, but I didn't always see those same winning attributes as consistently in those big moments. And I love Drew regardless of my assertions here.

Brady was so awesome on defense. Not many QB's can also have 15 sacks and 8 interceptions, but Brady did. He was also incredible on special teams. How many QB's have kicked multiple AFC Championship winning and Super Bowl winning field goals? Tom Brady did all of that. He played defense and made all the big defensive stops. He kicked all the field goals even in impossible snow conditions. What an absolute God, I don't understand why Taysom Hill gets so much hype when Brady did all of this before Hill was even born.

 

[schuetter]

Brady was so awesome on defense. Not many QB's can also have 15 sacks and 8 interceptions, but Brady did. He was also incredible on special teams. How many QB's have kicked multiple AFC Championship winning and Super Bowl winning field goals? Tom Brady did all of that. He played defense and made all the big defensive stops. He kicked all the field goals even in impossible snow conditions. What an absolute God, I don't understand why Taysom Hill gets so much hype when Brady did all of this before Hill was even born.

Ha I'm not trying to take away your alter here, friend. I'm not even a Tom Brady fan. Just sharing the way I see it when taking allegiance and emotion out of the equation.

Doesn't seem any of those things you mentioned have shown up in NE since he left, including the great BB. Agree to disagree.

 

[Sumdude34]

I'll never forget that for about 3 years Brees was breaking all-time records that were thought untouchable and it was a huge deal every week.

But, when Tom inevitably broke them after Drew's retirement nobody cared. Tom was only able to break those records because he stuck around longer and because in 2017 Drew basically stopped caring about his stats and focused on winning with the ground game. But what he did at the QB position from 2006 to 2016 was unhuman and I don't think even Mahomes will have a 10 year stretch that dominant.

As for Brady, go watch his last game in New England at 39 years old and then tell me he wasn't on PEDs or doping during his time in Tampa. He couldn't throw the ball 20 yards or escape the pocket at all in 2019, and then he was throwing 60 yard bombs and scrambling for three years after that? Oh, and Gronk suddenly is healed of his broken back when he gets to Tampa? It's so obvious that people can't believe it.

 

[tinman]

Brees - the best to ever play QB in the NFL,
Brady - the QB who led a TEAM to the most SB wins.

 

[BreesusSaves]

Ha I'm not trying to take away your alter here, friend. I'm not even a Tom Brady fan. Just sharing the way I see it when taking allegiance and emotion out of the equation.

Doesn't seem any of those things you mentioned have shown up in NE since he left, including the great BB. Agree to disagree.

It took the Saints and Chiefs getting decimated by injuries for Brady's Super Bowl run in 2020. The Bucs were wildly outclassed by the Saints, and they lost to the Chiefs as well.

Then by the end of the season, the Saints are limping along with key players either out or playing through injuries, the Chiefs have FOUR backups starting on their Offensive Line, and the Bucs are... entirely healthy.

But hey I bet it was all Tom Brady using his healing powers to keep them injury free too, right?

Anyone who sits down and objectively looks at the numbers sees that Brady was a good QB on an all time great team, and Brees was an all time great QB on an average team.

 

[2009ring]

Brees’ last chance was when the NFL robbed us with the “no call”. He could’ve had his chance to beat TB12 in the Super Bowl. Could’ve possibly had the argument that he beat TB12 and Manning on the biggest stage

This is exactly why the no call happened. Because the NFL could not have Brees beating both Brady and Manning in a Super Bowl. It would have wrecked their whole narrative.

 

[jahsoul357]

Anyone who sits down and objectively looks at the numbers sees that Brady was a good QB on an all time great team, and Brees was an all time great QB on an average team.

This is my view of it as well. Now, don't get me wrong, Brady was great and learning and understanding the offense he operated in and how he operated it made me respect his overall skill more, but I always felt that Drew got the short end of the stick as it related to overall team and then funked up situations (2017-2019). And truth is I don't respect Brady's Bucs run that much neither. The general consensus was they were a QB away but when I did my homework on the Bucs when we got Jameis for a bag of Golden Flake Salt and Vinegar and a Faygo, it hit me that they weren't a QB away and when Brady came, they filled every gap and space they needed, down to kicker. And even still, they struggled because Brady couldn't run "no risk it, no biscuit" effectively and the only good team that they owned were the Packers..lol. Not only did they bring in all of those folks for Brady, they modified the offense during the season for that bastage. Then got carried through the playoffs by that defense.

Brady is a great and I will never take anything away from his accomplishments, but like Mahomes, benefitted greatly situationally.

 

[NeverGiveUP2]

That’s not an objective opinion, respectively. We all got to watch and admire Drew for a long time, but he was always just one notch below Brady. TB going to Tampa and winning immediately slammed the door shut on any real discussion of other QB’s being the GOAT.

Very objective.... Tom had the advantage of playing in a conference that had 5 playoff appearances and 0 Super Bowls... Drew played in a conference that had 23 playoff appearances and each reached the SB once during Drew's tenure

Tom had top 5 defenses 3 times while Drew had the worst defense in THE HISTORY of pro football TWICE... Not that year but in the history of pro football

Tom got to his first SB after the "clutch rule" was discovered
He then got another SB when Seattle decides to pas on the 1 yard line when they had "beast mode" in the back field
He then stunk up the field against the ATL only to have the ATL go brain dead and hand him another SB

Drew had horrible defenses and the top conference at the time... no gimmes
He brings us back not once.. not twice.. not three times against San Fran only to have his D-coordinator hand that game away
He brings us back from a 17-0 deficit in Minny only to have... well you know
He has us beating the lambs until the worst call in NFL history

We are talking the greatest QB of all time.... not the most rings... DB = GOAT and it's not even close

 

[SweetT]

This is exactly why the no call happened. Because the NFL could not have Brees beating both Brady and Manning in a Super Bowl. It would have wrecked their whole narrative.

Correct. SP knew how to beat TB12. Plus, the Patriots teams was weak that year. Very sad bc as a fan, you deserve to see the best matchup for the biggest game of the year. No one wanted to see that Rams team in the Super Bowl. Just utterly disgraceful what the NFL did to us.