Cap people - what's the fastest way out of the hole? (2 Viewers)

[kcirdor]

@Rexman100 to reiterate how clowns are dumb, i collected about a 3rd of my clowns this off season arguing with half the board about the salary cap... and behold..... here we are as a collective discussing how we deal with it.

 

[kcirdor]

Nah, those where the "we're still in it" years.

We weren't. We were chasing a mirage.

 

[Saint Greg]

Underhill said 5 moves gets us 10mil under. It's getting easier than it used to be which is good.

 

[soggymoss84]

I’ve been researching it and looking through the numbers, we can get the cap sheet right in one season, but we would have to be committed to a rebuild, that would mean cutting Carr, Lattimore, Mathiu, Cam etc.

I was planning on sitting down and making a detailed thread about how we can achieve it, just haven’t had the time to do that yet.

 

[Rexman100]

@Rexman100 to reiterate how clowns are dumb, i collected about a 3rd of my clowns this off season arguing with half the board about the salary cap... and behold..... here we are as a collective discussing how we deal with it.

there should be a rule. If you drop a clown, at least post your reason. lol

 

[St. Widge]

everytime i see the thread title

I see the same thing. On a side note, I went to grammar school with a kid that was in that movie. He was the little kid walking in the park near the beginning.

 

[St. Geezy]

Underhill said 5 moves gets us 10mil under. It's getting easier than it used to be which is good.

I have been saying for some time now that people need to look at the cap as a five year, never-ending rolling budget…another way to look at it is that if we had the cap space today, we would not do the restructuring people lament so much.

It’s just future/forward accounting, and people freak out just because we have a negative number representing future years.

Now where we may get into trouble is if we have an absolute free agent bust on a long term deal who we are locked into, and have to keep restructuring, but those don’t come very often, especially since we philosophically choose to not splurge in free agency and have operated that way for awhile even before we got put into this “future accounting cycle.”

 

[St. Widge]

there should be a rule. If you drop a clown, at least post your reason. lol

My reason is that I know for a fact that backwards Rodrick is a clown.

 

[LifeForceDave]

May take years but keep DA, no free agents will ever want to come here so we don’t have to worry about paying established players.

No more extensions.

Also all the old players will retire in a few years and eventually come off the books.

 

[kcirdor]

My reason is that I know for a fact that backwards Rodrick is a clown.

 

[B4YOU]

Being around $80m over the cap for next year, there are no easy ways out if the hole. Most players with sizable cap hits also have a lot of dead money, so cutting/trading them is not an option. We'll need to restructure a lot of dollars like we usually do, digging the hole again for 2026.

Here are some moves to get under the cap with the space it will clear in 2025 (ignoring effect on 2026 and beyond):

Restructure Carr (clear $31m)
Cut Kamara ($19m)
Ask Ram to take a paycut in anticipation of retirement ($16m)
Ask Cam to take a paycut in anticipation of retirement ($11m) - probably wishful thinking here

After being under to start the league year, we'll still need another $20m or so more for free agency, draft, practice squad, reserve lists, etc.

Post June 1 retirements for Ram and Cam ($4m)
Restructure Hill ($7m)
Restructure McCoy ($7m)
Restructure Ruiz ($6m)

Those are moves to be functional in 2025. It doesn't really leave any medicine taking moves. The bright side? They would have almost a net zero impact on our 2026 cap, so we could start being more normal around then.

We have to get cap compliant before the new year. Jordan and Ram have zero reason to take a paycut when we can’t get complaint without restructuring them.

The solution was not signing Carr or Jordan while trading Kamara in 23.

The 2025 solution - cut Kamara. He is the only player with enough savings to dead cap to make a difference. We will restructure/extend our top 8 players to kick the can while begging for paycuts. We need to trade Lattimore and/or Carr. It won’t get better until 2026 or 2027.

 

[St. Widge]

I have been saying for some time now that people need to look at the cap as a five year, never-ending rolling budget…another way to look at it is that if we had the cap space today, we would not do the restructuring people lament so much.

It’s just future/forward accounting, and people freak out just because we have a negative number representing future years.

Now where we may get into trouble is if we have an absolute free agent bust on a long term deal who we are locked into, and have to keep restructuring, but those don’t come very often, especially since we philosophically choose to not splurge in free agency and have operated that way for awhile even before we got put into this “future accounting cycle.”

I agree with that, but the consequence of that is you don't have any real flexibility when it comes to older players like Demario, Jordan, Ram, etc. when they reach the point that they have to retire and are no longer real contributors. At that point you have too much money tied up in players that aren't contributing and you can't cut them.

That's why I think at this point it's time to reset the cap so that you can start pushing money to the future to get ready for another title run.

 

[DeuceMcAllisterFan]

As long as they believe they can still be competitive, they'll continue with this strategy. I suspect they would have to be resigned to the fact that they absolutely have to enter a full rebuild before they'll stop.

 

[St. Widge]

Now, by your own rule, you have to explain the clown you gave me.

 

[kcirdor]

Now, by your own rule, you have to explain the clown you gave me.

Not my rule. My name is Rod not Rex.

But ill concede this one time... last week i said clowns make people's booties tingle... just wanted to tingle your booty.