N/S Cleveland Browns’ record since returning to Cleveland (4 Viewers)

[Artifactual]

The Browns returned to Cleveland in 1999.

They are currently in the midst of their 26th season since returning to Cleveland.

They have only had 3 winning seasons during this span with just 3 playoff appearances with 1 post season win in 4 games playoff games played.

Their loss to the Broncos cemented a losing record for Browns for the 2024 season.

The Browns have only had 3 winning record seasons since returning to Cleveland in 1999.

The Browns record since returning to Cleveland in 1999 is 141 Wins, 273 Losses, and 1 Tie, a winning percentage of .341

The Browns have the worst winning percentage of any team in the NFL since 1999.

Top 5 Losers since 1999 are: Browns #1 / Lions #2 / Jaguars #3 / Raiders #4 / Commanders #5

By Comparison here's how the NFC South stacks up through Week 13 of the 2024 season: 9. Panthers / 13. Buccaneers / 16. Falcons / 24. Saints

While the Saints are currently suffering more losses over the past few seasons than in recent years past, Saints fans can take solace in knowing that the Saints have won more games than all but 8 other franchises since the 1999 season, the past 25 years.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Why draw that particular line at all? Arbitrary and meaningless.

 

[2009ring]

Why draw that particular line at all? Arbitrary and meaningless.

I disagree. The Browns re-emerging in Cleveland is a major landmark in their existence, and comparing us to them during this timeframe is valid.

 

[Sun Wukong]

Why draw that particular line at all? Arbitrary and meaningless.

It's literally the exact opposite of arbitrary. It is a clearly dilleniated period in the franchise's history where they essentially came back into the league as an expansion team.

Not a single thing arbitrary about it. At all.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

The power of bell curve distribution

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

It's literally the exact opposite of arbitrary. It is a clearly dilleniated period in the franchise's history where they essentially came back into the league as an expansion team.

Not a single thing arbitrary about it. At all.

I suppose it could be argued that comparing other teams to the Browns is arbitrary in relation to those teams
Like comparing other teams’ records since Katrina

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

It's literally the exact opposite of arbitrary. It is a clearly dilleniated period in the franchise's history where they essentially came back into the league as an expansion team.

Not a single thing arbitrary about it. At all.

To decide to make it 1999 and relate it to Cleveland is entirely arbitrary.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

I disagree. The Browns re-emerging in Cleveland is a major landmark in their existence, and comparing us to them during this timeframe is valid.

I disagree, clearly. It's a post just to post something.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I disagree, clearly. It's a post just to post something.

Your first day on SR?

 

[saint_drago]

We have officially reached the "At Least We Aren't the Browns!" point of the season. Yeah, we aren't the Browns so that we have that going for us. And we still have 2009. We won a Super Bowl and so many teams haven't. They can't take that away from us.

I'm okay with the Saints being a not so great football team. I've been expecting this for years. I figured as soon as Drew retired things would go back to normal. What I didn't expect is for the front office to take such an inexplicable route to irrelevance. I wish they would've become a bad to mediocre football team the normal way. Instead we have this Frankenstein's monster roster of all in, yolo madness. It's going to take years to clean this up but here's the best part, the people in charge of righting the ship are the same people who decided to go all in with Jameis Winston after trying to move heaven and earth to trade for Deshaun Watson. The same people who bent over backwards to draft Chris Olave and Trevor Penning. Unless that was all DA's idea. At least he's gone.

 

[SweetT]

We have officially reached the "At Least We Aren't the Browns!" point of the season. Yeah, we aren't the Browns so that we have that going for us. And we still have 2009. We won a Super Bowl and so many teams haven't. They can't take that away from us.

I'm okay with the Saints being a not so great football team. I've been expecting this for years. I figured as soon as Drew retired things would go back to normal. What I didn't expect is for the front office to take such an inexplicable route to irrelevance. I wish they would've become a bad to mediocre football team the normal way. Instead we have this Frankenstein's monster roster of all in, yolo madness. It's going to take years to clean this up but here's the best part, the people in charge of righting the ship are the same people who decided to go all in with Jameis Winston after trying to move heaven and earth to trade for Deshaun Watson. The same people who bent over backwards to draft Chris Olave and Trevor Penning. Unless that was all DA's idea. At least he's gone.

 

[Winter]

We have officially reached the "At Least We Aren't the Browns!" point of the season. Yeah, we aren't the Browns so that we have that going for us. And we still have 2009. We won a Super Bowl and so many teams haven't. They can't take that away from us.

I'm okay with the Saints being a not so great football team. I've been expecting this for years. I figured as soon as Drew retired things would go back to normal. What I didn't expect is for the front office to take such an inexplicable route to irrelevance. I wish they would've become a bad to mediocre football team the normal way. Instead we have this Frankenstein's monster roster of all in, yolo madness. It's going to take years to clean this up but here's the best part, the people in charge of righting the ship are the same people who decided to go all in with Jameis Winston after trying to move heaven and earth to trade for Deshaun Watson. The same people who bent over backwards to draft Chris Olave and Trevor Penning. Unless that was all DA's idea. At least he's gone.

When Brady left and the Patriots struggled, a lot of people questioned the effectiveness of Belichick and if it really was all Brady. Starting to think the opposite for Payton. Not to take anything away from Drew, but a lot of front office decisions were made or influenced by Payton during his tenure here. I think making the NFCCG the first year gave him the credit to do what he wanted. We hit lightning in a bottle with him and Drew. Now its back to the regularly scheduled program. Drew and Payton were the exception to the norm. Loomis has been here since 2000. 2000-2005 looks eerily familiar to the last few years since Drew and Payton left. Big plays, some entertaining football, flirting with playoffs but never making it, a few fan favorite players, but never in a position where the team is legitimately competing for a title.

I think a new approach from the top down is needed. I was critical of Gayle before firing Allen, but she's shown signs of taking it seriously and hopefully can see and deal with the root of this franchise's problems because whats happening now is becoming futile.

 

[Artifactual]

Why draw that particular line at all?

You asked?

1999 was the rebirth of their franchise as a new expansion team in the NFL.

It's further relevant today because their loss last night cemented yet another losing season since their reboot.

If it makes you feel better use the turn of the century. The Browns have the worst record since then as well.

Arbitrary and meaningless.

Nope, and meaningless to you and possibly others here but certainly not Browns fans.

What you think is meaningless may actually have meaning to someone else here. Did you consider that before posting?

It's literally the exact opposite of arbitrary. It is a clearly delineated period in the franchise's history where they essentially came back into the league as an expansion team.

Not a single thing arbitrary about it. At all.

To decide to make it 1999 and relate it to Cleveland is entirely arbitrary.

Clearly explained and you can't accept sound reasoning, instead repeating your opinion.

Let's try it this way. Thread title: "Cleveland Browns' Record Since Returning To Cleveland"

It just so it happens to have been 1999.

I disagree. The Browns re-emerging in Cleveland is a major landmark in their existence and comparing us to them during this timeframe is valid.

I disagree, clearly.

You've made yourself clear. That's your opinion. It may be time for you to move on to another thread.

It's a post just to post something.

Pot calling the kettle black, maybe? Who appointed you to the Post police?

Why enter a thread "to post something just to post something" that brings nothing of substance to the thread?

The information in my OP may possibly be of interest to other pro football fans, including some here, even if not of interest to you.

To each his own.

 

[SWJJ]

I don't get the hate on Artifactual. Sure he starts a lot of threads, and I don't always agree with his takes on things, but his posts are ALWAYS well researched, properly documented, within the TOS, and usually pretty though provoking.

making a post that a post is just a post to post something is just making a post to post something.

If you don't want to participate in his discussion, don't open the thread, just scroll on by.

 

[NatureBoy]

The Browns returned to Cleveland in 1999.

They are currently in the midst of their 26th season since returning to Cleveland.

They have only had 3 winning seasons during this span with just 3 playoff appearances with 1 post season win in 4 games playoff games played.

Their loss to the Broncos cemented a losing record for Browns for the 2024 season.

The Browns have only had 3 winning record seasons since returning to Cleveland in 1999.

The Browns record since returning to Cleveland in 1999 is 141 Wins, 273 Losses, and 1 Tie, a winning percentage of .341

The Browns have the worst winning percentage of any team in the NFL since 1999.

Top 5 Losers since 1999 are: Browns #1 / Lions #2 / Jaguars #3 / Raiders #4 / Commanders #5

By Comparison here's how the NFC South stacks up through Week 13 of the 2024 season: 9. Panthers / 13. Buccaneers / 16. Falcons / 24. Saints

While the Saints are currently suffering more losses over the past few seasons than in recent years past, Saints fans can take solace in knowing that the Saints have won more games than all but 8 other franchises since the 1999 season, the past 25 years.

Made me curious to compare the Saints' first 26 years.

From inception through 1992, the Saints were 152-232 (including 4 playoff losses).

The Saints only qualified for the playoffs 4 times and didn't have any post season victories.

During that period, the Saints had 5 winning seasons.

The Brown's winning percentage is 34%. Over their first 26 years the Saints winning percentage was 40%.

Here's what I take from this season and all of this. I thought we had it bad. The Saints first several seasons were unbearable, but they advanced their statistical comparision over Cleveland because of the last few seasons in the comparison period. If 26 years is the barometer, Browns fans have had it worse than Saints fans.

The Brees/Payton years were phenomenal. In spite of watching teams like NE, etc. win often, it's not easy. Thats why I don't sweat over whats happening now. I don't like it, I think much of it was self induced. That said, I don't sweat it. I remember the first 20 years. I remember just wanting 1 winning season. I remember just wanting a playoff apperance, and then just 1 playoff win. I also remember what it means to go all the way, and I'm thankful for it. I want better, but I'm not going to loose sleep over it. I never thought I'd live to see the Saints win a Super Bowl, but thats in my back pocket now. Now I'm hoping I see another (and another, and another, et al).