N/S Cleveland Browns’ record since returning to Cleveland (28 Viewers)

[RJS]

I believe the Saints and Browns have identical win/loss records since Drew Brees retired.

 

[SweetT]

I don't get the hate on Artifactual. Sure he starts a lot of threads, and I don't always agree with his takes on things, but his posts are ALWAYS well researched, properly documented, within the TOS, and usually pretty though provoking.

making a post that a post is just a post to post something is just making a post to post something.

If you don't want to participate in his discussion, don't open the thread, just scroll on by.

I love @Artifactual. I dig his threads and opinions.

 

[Saint Jack]

Made me curious to compare the Saints' first 26 years.

From inception through 1992, the Saints were 152-232 (including 4 playoff losses).

The Saints only qualified for the playoffs 4 times and didn't have any post season victories.

During that period, the Saints had 5 winning seasons.

The Brown's winning percentage is 34%. Over their first 26 years the Saints winning percentage was 40%.

Here's what I take from this season and all of this. I thought we had it bad. The Saints first several seasons were unbearable, but they advanced their statistical comparision over Cleveland because of the last few seasons in the comparison period. If 26 years is the barometer, Browns fans have had it worse than Saints fans.

The Brees/Payton years were phenomenal. In spite of watching teams like NE, etc. win often, it's not easy. Thats why I don't sweat over whats happening now. I don't like it, I think much of it was self induced. That said, I don't sweat it. I remember the first 20 years. I remember just wanting 1 winning season. I remember just wanting a playoff apperance, and then just 1 playoff win. I also remember what it means to go all the way, and I'm thankful for it. I want better, but I'm not going to loose sleep over it. I never thought I'd live to see the Saints win a Super Bowl, but thats in my back pocket now. Now I'm hoping I see another (and another, and another, et al).

It really is hard for me to consider those years as Saints football.
To me, the franchise started in 1986 when Benson bought the team.

 

[The Unrest Cure]

I disagree, clearly. It's a post just to post something.

With all due respect, this is pretty much the entirety of the forum. While some posts are truly made to inform the reader, almost all are just opinion and dialogue.

Of which, a post to clearly state an opinion of disagreement seems top form.

 

[NatureBoy]

It really is hard for me to consider those years as Saints football.
To me, the franchise started in 1986 when Benson bought the team.

I wish I could forget, but it's part of our history, a history I lived through. In spite of how bad it was, I always looked forward to Sundays. Never missed a game (in person) at home and went to a few on the road. In a way, it made that first winning season, first playoff appearance and so on, that much sweeter. When I hear people today talk about how bad we have it, and talk about hope is all we have, I can't help but feel that they haven't the faintest idea of what "bad" really is.

 

[2009ring]

You asked?

1999 was the rebirth of their franchise as a new expansion team in the NFL.

It's further relevant today because their loss last night cemented yet another losing season since their reboot.

If it makes you feel better use the turn of the century. The Browns have the worst record since then as well.



Nope, and meaningless to you and possibly others here but certainly not Browns fans.

What you think is meaningless may actually have meaning to someone else here. Did you consider that before posting?




Clearly explained and you can't accept sound reasoning, instead repeating your opinion.

Let's try it this way. Thread title: "Cleveland Browns' Record Since Returning To Cleveland"

It just so it happens to have been 1999.




You've made yourself clear. That's your opinion. It may be time for you to move on to another thread.



Pot calling the kettle black, maybe? Who appointed you to the Post police?

Why enter a thread "to post something just to post something" that brings nothing of substance to the thread?

The information in my OP may possibly be of interest to other pro football fans, including some here, even if not of interest to you.

To each his own.

Unless I'm reading something wrong somewhere, I was agreeing with you

 

[kcirdor]

What i dont understand is..... why is the Browns considered the same franshise that moved to Baltimore and didnt become a new franchise they just changed their names. Team records etc should belong to the ravens, correct? Such as Jim Brown, the championships, etc etc.

 

[kcirdor]

Your first day on SR?

The man seeks out negativity daily.

 

[Saint Jack]

What i dont understand is..... why is the Browns considered the same franshise that moved to Baltimore and didnt become a new franchise they just changed their names. Team records etc should belong to the ravens, correct? Such as Jim Brown, the championships, etc etc.

Cleveland made a deal right after Modell announced the move to get a new franchise.
Part of it included Cleveland keeping the Browns name, history, and records.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

What i dont understand is..... why is the Browns considered the same franshise that moved to Baltimore and didnt become a new franchise they just changed their names. Team records etc should belong to the ravens, correct? Such as Jim Brown, the championships, etc etc.

stares in Utah Jazz

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

 

[dutar76]

Does it all come down to finding a high level QB? Or QB/HC combination?

I know a few teams have had decent seasons with sub-par or average quaterbacks, but those seem to be the few exceptions and none come to mind that had long runs of good seasons. Unless you want to count Flacco or Eli or Romo types as bad QBs. I see them as slighty above average players blessed with good coaches and great rosters.
Even those seem to be exceptions.

Cleveland came close with Baker, Jarvis, and OBJ. Then the team had a meltdown.

Saints are in that same boat right now. Slightly above average QB but dont have the coach or the roster. Injuries the past couple seasons have been outrageous, but even so, its obvious the roster is old and depleted. Very few pieces to really build around. Really dont want to become a perpetual loser like some teams.

 

[AARPSaint]

What i dont understand is..... why is the Browns considered the same franshise that moved to Baltimore and didnt become a new franchise they just changed their names. Team records etc should belong to the ravens, correct? Such as Jim Brown, the championships, etc etc.

It’s a weird history, probably unique. The franchise was suspended for several years. I think I just googled it or maybe Wikipedia. I went to college near Cleveland, so it’s mildly interesting to me.

 

[kcirdor]

It’s a weird history, probably unique. The franchise was suspended for several years. I think I just googled it or maybe Wikipedia. I went to college near Cleveland, so it’s mildly interesting to me.

Being one of the original teams, i can understand why they made such a deal with the city.