Do you think Dennis Allen could succeed (2 Viewers)

[jessy]

I think Dennis Allen is a great HC

He’s 23-53 as a head coach. Thats the textbook definition of failure.

Allen will go down in history as John North’s equal, the Saints head coach who went 11-23 despite having Archie Manning.

In 29 games Allen has turned this franchise into a laughing stock. Fans are booing, players are checking out if not out right turning on him, there’s zero accountability, zero creativity, no one looks like they are having fun.

 

[Saint Jack]

He’s 23-53 as a head coach. Thats the textbook definition of failure.

Allen will go down in history as John North’s equal, the Saints head coach who went 11-23 despite having Archie Manning.

In 29 games Allen has turned this franchise into a laughing stock. Fans are booing, players are checking out if not out right turning on him, there’s zero accountability, zero creativity, no one looks like they are having fun.

I wouldn’t say laughingstock.
Laughingstock to me means seven plus years.
In my opinion, this is equivalent to Chip Kelly’s last year in Philadelphia.
To his relationship with fans, the media, and the team.

 

[jrdbrn]

I would love for him to do an honest self-assessment, and step back down to the DC position. No shame in admitting your strenghts and weaknesses. Head Coach is not a strength for him - he needs to own that instead of facing further humiliation.

Listening to WWL yesterday, did you hear the interview with Khalen when he said they need to be better prepared before the games. IMO, that tells me the coaches aren't putting in the work like previous. Could it be because Ryan Nielsen and Kris Richard left? Possibly.. still alarming, but makes sense. We have been coming out flat and figure it out after the second half.

 

[meily]

The offense needs to be revamped with a new take-charge OC and O-line coach, at a minimum. This team would've had a couple/few more wins with a competent offense. Offense is so out-of-synch it detracted DA's attention from the Defense, which suffered too.

Agreed, these players want to rally around an OC who is calling an aggressive game they can get behind.

 

[Dastheat_9]

It’s 2008. The Saints are 8-7, at home playing the Panthers, who sit at 11-4 and can clinch the division and a first-round bye with a win. Star QB Drew Brees has directed his team to more points through 15 games than all but one team would score in 16, and is 402 yards away from breaking Dan Marino’s 24-year-old single-season passing yardage record. However, this team sits in the NFC South basement, and even a win won’t lift them out, as Tampa holds all relevant tiebreakers. All that’s left to cheer for are a winning record and Brees’ pursuit of the yardage mark. This will surprise no one, but the Saints called 51 passes to 11 runs this game. Saints head coach Sean Payton’s intentions are obvious, and so too are those of Panthers head coach John Fox, who’s going to try to shorten the game by leaning heavily on his running backs. This will surprise no one, but the Panthers called 42 runs to 21 passes this game.

The Panthers’ plan is working. The Saints’ plan… is not going so well. Carolina’s first four possessions end in points, while the Saints have an opening drive three-and-out, an interception, and a fumbled kickoff returned for a TD putting them in a 23-3 hole. The Panthers have called more run plays than the Saints have called total plays, to this point. Something is very wrong with this defense; everyone knows runs are coming but they just cannot stop them. Even the final run before half goes for a big gain.

Remarkably, the Saints have taken a 31-30 lead late in the fourth quarter on Brees’ second touchdown pass to Lance Moore and fourth total, giving him 5,069 passing yards on the season. The crowd erupts and, with nothing else to root for, hope at least the defense can protect this lead and give Brees one last chance to break the record.

After the kickoff, former Saints QB Jake Delhomme comes to the line of scrimmage, inside his own 20. Unlike Brees, a spreader of the wealth — eight different Saints have a catch in this game — Delhomme has only completed passes today to Steve Smith, Muhsin Muhammad, and DJ Hackett, who you just remembered was ever in the league. Delhomme scans the defense and, despite the pressure closing in on him, thinks to himself “Steve down there somewhere, sha!” and launches a prayer that neither Roman Harper nor Jason David can break up. The Panthers, now running plays on the Saints’ side of the field, wring more clock before future Saints kicker John Kasay connects on a game-winner with :01 remaining.

Ten days later the Saints fired Gary Gibbs, the defensive coordinator for that and four other one-score losses in which either he couldn’t get a stop to prevent a broken tie, or the offense’s efforts to fight back out of the hole were halted by the defense’s inability to get a third-down stop. The 2009 defense played an aggressive, complementary style of football that led to a championship.

Sometimes all a middle-of-the-road team needs is a coordinator change.

Dennis Allen is not Sean Payton. Not
Close. Dennis Allen holds no one accountable. Not even himself.

 

[Dastheat_9]

We are coming down on DA but please remember the biggest off-season change may not be at HC but OC, he will more than likely get a year 3.

He needs to go! He has had 2 years to fix the run defense. He has not done that

 

[BarBar]

We are coming down on DA but please remember the biggest off-season change may not be at HC but OC, he will more than likely get a year 3.

 

[St. Geezy]

I think Dennis Allen is a great HC with one major flaw of being too loyal to his OC much the same way CSP struggled being too loyal to Vitt. Put a good OC with DA and this team would be humming. But if he can't shake that flaw, Pete will drag him down to eternity.

Sorry, but no HC with a 20-46 record is a great HC.

 

[Saint KayBee]

Dennis Allen is not Sean Payton. Not
Close. Dennis Allen holds no one accountable. Not even himself.

I never said he was.

I said sometimes what a team needs is a coordinator change. This can be true no matter how good the head coach is. If Sean Payton never replaces Gary Gibbs, it’s entirely possible 2009 plays out very differently. It’s very possible that a strong offense and a bad defense may sneak up on a league for a season but will stagnate more and more over time because other teams are trying to scheme against you too. Gibbs has never been hired to coordinate a defense since.

Sometimes all a team needs is a coordinator change.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

You're not going to get a decent coordinator to come here to work under a 21-46 head coach that's a slow start away from being fired...and you along with him.

Why is it important that we keep Allen and hire an O coordinator with a handicap when we can just fire Allen and Co and then go out and bring in a new staff without the handicap of trying to convince someone to work under a lame duck?

 

[sfidc3]

I never said he was.

I said sometimes what a team needs is a coordinator change. This can be true no matter how good the head coach is. If Sean Payton never replaces Gary Gibbs, it’s entirely possible 2009 plays out very differently. It’s very possible that a strong offense and a bad defense may sneak up on a league for a season but will stagnate more and more over time because other teams are trying to scheme against you too. Gibbs has never been hired to coordinate a defense since.

Sometimes all a team needs is a coordinator change.

Yes, I'm sure that's it.....just a coordinator change and DA is off to the races as a great NFL HC......

It's like some folks haven't been watching the last 2 years, dude is not cut out to be a HC and no OC is going to fix that for him, he is simply not an effective leader.....And, also, he has the power to make that change, PC is under him, by doing nothing he is complicit in the Saints offensive failures.....

 

[SubmarineMike]

Dennis Allen knows football like a chess master knows chess. If the gambit were executed like it was drawn up, it would work. He knows the moves and the countermoves.

What he doesn't know is the game of emotion. Football is driven by both strategy and emotion. It is a physical battle. It requires motivation to execute. He doesn't seem to get that. The results are his players aren't keyed in. They miss things. He wants to execute plays like they're routine when no two plays involving human beings are alike.

It just doesn't work in football. And in everything when you keep repeating the same thing and keep failing you can't expect to do with same thing and have success, even if it's the correct chess move.


Sorry. I didn't answer the question. No. I don't think he can succeed as a head coach. He can succeed in football but as head coach, he has demonstrated the Peter principle.

I love this answer and believe it is accurate. It all boils down to EMOTION.

Look at the 2018 NFC Championship. Why didn't we win? We could have just executed our game plan and beat the Rams. Unfortunately, we had just gotten kicked in the tender bits by the entire officiating team. EMOTION prevented us from executing. It is hard to emotionally come back from that kind of gut punch.

Look at the way DA seems to want to win. Even when we DO win, the games are devoid of fun, devoid of emotion.

Jameis Winston comes in... Instant emotion, instant fan involvement, instant fun.

DA just doesn't seem to have that. It isn't in his toolbox, it isn't one of his strengths. The players may like him (or did) as a HC, but they will never be inspired by him to do the impossible.