Goodell keeps getting hammered (1 Viewer)

[RetroMcBananaFace]

Goodell avoids question on league

That’s a lot of words, none of which directly answer the question. It’s obvious that the league doesn’t want to answer the question, because there is no good answer. But that doesn’t excuse the chronic failure to address the situation directly, or to investigate the leak that became a report that turned a curiosity into a hashtag.
Here’s some free legal advice for the NFL. If Judge Richard M. Berman asks Goodell or one of the lawyers that same question tomorrow, Judge Berman will keep asking it until he gets a direct answer.


Personally, I have such mixed feelings about this whole thing. It makes me mad that nobody stuck up for the Saints during Bountygate the way people have this time. But on the other hand this Judge Berman isn't letting Goodell squirm out of the tough questions - I really think Goodell's time as commissioner is growing short.

 

[Saint Jack]

Goodell avoids question on league

That’s a lot of words, none of which directly answer the question. It’s obvious that the league doesn’t want to answer the question, because there is no good answer. But that doesn’t excuse the chronic failure to address the situation directly, or to investigate the leak that became a report that turned a curiosity into a hashtag.
Here’s some free legal advice for the NFL. If Judge Richard M. Berman asks Goodell or one of the lawyers that same question tomorrow, Judge Berman will keep asking it until he gets a direct answer.


Personally, I have such mixed feelings about this whole thing. It makes me mad that nobody stuck up for the Saints during Bountygate the way people have this time. But on the other hand this Judge Berman isn't letting Goodell squirm out of the tough questions - I really think Goodell's time as commissioner is growing short.

At the time no one stuck with the Saints due to the concussion lawsuits. Now, a few years down the road, plenty agree the penalty was severely out of proportion. Now, it's easy easy to say 20/20 hindsight, but it's something.
Personally, I think Goodell's days are numbered.

 

[City Champ]

Fire him. Fire him now. Yes, it's a bit too late, but better late than never. It is a sad day when I question the integrity of the NFL and believe the NBA is more credible. That is where I am right now. I have watched the NFL railroad the Saints, blatantly lie about the Rice video tape, then claim ignorance (something the dinged our Saints on), and now this. This investigation was a farce from the beginning, just like Bounty Gate, and the only adequate solution is for Goodell to be fired.

 

[RetroMcBananaFace]

It would be hilarious if Berman keeps asking Goodell for an answer to that question, Goodell keeps refusing and gets thrown in jail for contempt of court.

 

[LORD_BREESUS]

Goodell has 32 hands up his *** at all times and I think he likes it. He isn't going anywhere sadly

 

[blackjack]

I thought this was going to be something about a drinking problem

 

[Fontenot]

Goodell avoids question on league

That’s a lot of words, none of which directly answer the question. It’s obvious that the league doesn’t want to answer the question, because there is no good answer. But that doesn’t excuse the chronic failure to address the situation directly, or to investigate the leak that became a report that turned a curiosity into a hashtag.
Here’s some free legal advice for the NFL. If Judge Richard M. Berman asks Goodell or one of the lawyers that same question tomorrow, Judge Berman will keep asking it until he gets a direct answer.


Personally, I have such mixed feelings about this whole thing. It makes me mad that nobody stuck up for the Saints during Bountygate the way people have this time. But on the other hand this Judge Berman isn't letting Goodell squirm out of the tough questions - I really think Goodell's time as commissioner is growing short.

I remember posting on SR during the height of Bountygate whether Goodell and the NFL front office had adopted the STASI (the dreaded East German secret police who operated during Cold War times) handbook As their employee manual. The STasi were famous for putting out disinformation to discredit their enemies, and for their relentless control of all media. Very Goodell-ish and Pash-ish.

Of course since Bountygate Goodell and his bosses have been exposed for who and what they are and nobody believes or trusts them anymore. I wonder if Peter King and Jeff Duncan and others like them feel any remorse or shame for allowing themselves to be used by Pash and Goodell to print all the lies they were fed. I feel for Brady, but not for Kraft. He helped create the Goodell monster.

 

[CountWhoDat]

Of course since Bountygate Goodell and his bosses have been exposed for who and what they are and nobody believes or trusts them anymore. I wonder if Peter King and Jeff Duncan and others like them feel any remorse or shame for allowing themselves to be used by Pash and Goodell to print all the lies they were fed. I feel for Brady, but not for Kraft. He helped create the Goodell monster.

I think part of the sudden outrage and incredulity about Ballghazi stems from the fact that the NFL media didn't believe something like this could happen to the Patriots/Tom Brady. Spygate barely registered as a blip on the radar when it happened, because Goodell was a newly-minted commish and the evidence was pretty cut-and-dry.

During Bountygate, the Saints team(s) implicated were fresh, up-and-coming iterations of an admittedly dysfunctional and perpetually downtrodden franchise. With success comes contempt, and two years removed from our first SB win, most other NFL fans were already sick of the new kid on the block bullying the league mainstays (Colts, Patriots, etc.) and taking their lunch money.

Despite our minor struggles in 2010, we were still an 11 win team, and the 2009 and 2011 teams were flat out dominant - so fans and writers affiliated with other franchises didn't mind when Goodell began his concussion witch-hunt, regardless of the lack of evidence he could produce of any wrong-doing. Among most media covering the event, critical thought was discouraged, and guilt was assumed. It didn't help that Gregg Williams was (and is) a *******.

But when Brady, the absolute epitome of a Golden Boy in the NFL, became the new target of Goodell's everlasting power trip, many writers questioned his motivations and methods. Many still carried water for the NFL, but a large number of others finally employed that critical thought they so gleefully brushed aside during Bountygate. They figured out that there was little in the way of evidence, and that very little competitive advantage, if any, was gained in the process of deflating these balls. Hmm, does that sound familiar?

As far as King and Duncan go: King is an unabashed water carrier for Goodell and the league office. He treasures his unfettered access and it completely pollutes his "reporting". Nothing he writes or says on television should be taken as anything but PR copy for the league and its Beloved Leader.

Duncan, on the other hand, seems to have an axe to grind with Payton. We have seen first-hand that Payton really has no use for the local media and does not treat them as if they are special flowers in need of TLC. I have mixed feelings about it, but this is something Duncan takes umbrage at, and he used Bountygate as a opportunity to pile on. I won't - and you shouldn't - ever forgive him for his shilling on behalf of Goodell and the league office to suit his own damaged ego. He is both a dingus and a pretty mediocre writer who doesn't deserve the time and attention he gets from people who dislike him.

As you said, Dr. Frankenstein got his comeuppance, and no one should feel sorry for him. Kraft reaped what was sown by him and on his behalf, and only now does he have an issue with the way Goodell wields his power.

tl;dr: Saints received no benefit of the doubt, Patriots and Tom Brady somehow have, and the NFL media has finally caught on because of the parties under the microscope now. Also, Peter King and Jeff Duncan are part of the problem.

 

[GasBag]

Goodell avoids question on league

That’s a lot of words, none of which directly answer the question. It’s obvious that the league doesn’t want to answer the question, because there is no good answer. But that doesn’t excuse the chronic failure to address the situation directly, or to investigate the leak that became a report that turned a curiosity into a hashtag.
Here’s some free legal advice for the NFL. If Judge Richard M. Berman asks Goodell or one of the lawyers that same question tomorrow, Judge Berman will keep asking it until he gets a direct answer.


Personally, I have such mixed feelings about this whole thing. It makes me mad that nobody stuck up for the Saints during Bountygate the way people have this time. But on the other hand this Judge Berman isn't letting Goodell squirm out of the tough questions - I really think Goodell's time as commissioner is growing short.

Hmm. An embodiment of the 3 stooges. Say nothing, mean nothing, deliver nothing -- just make some noises. I wonder which owner these days has his wonder-parts deep in Goodell's throat. Goodell is such a piece of work. I doubt he could sign a credit card receipt without a lot of help. My dog is more qualified to be commissioner than him.

Anecdote: Rozelle received a lot of criticism, but for much different things than Goodell. Tagliabue -- I don't recall any criticism. At least he was a lawyer, and knew how to keep things even keel.

 

[Craig Walker]

Personally, I think Goodell's days are numbered.

Kraft's ticked off, so that helps. Benson's no fan.....just need a few more.

 

[efil4stnias]

I think part of the sudden outrage and incredulity about Ballghazi stems from the fact that the NFL media didn't believe something like this could happen to the Patriots/Tom Brady. Spygate barely registered as a blip on the radar when it happened, because Goodell was a newly-minted commish and the evidence was pretty cut-and-dry.

During Bountygate, the Saints team(s) implicated were fresh, up-and-coming iterations of an admittedly dysfunctional and perpetually downtrodden franchise. With success comes contempt, and two years removed from our first SB win, most other NFL fans were already sick of the new kid on the block bullying the league mainstays (Colts, Patriots, etc.) and taking their lunch money.

Despite our minor struggles in 2010, we were still an 11 win team, and the 2009 and 2011 teams were flat out dominant - so fans and writers affiliated with other franchises didn't mind when Goodell began his concussion witch-hunt, regardless of the lack of evidence he could produce of any wrong-doing. Among most media covering the event, critical thought was discouraged, and guilt was assumed. It didn't help that Gregg Williams was (and is) a *******.

But when Brady, the absolute epitome of a Golden Boy in the NFL, became the new target of Goodell's everlasting power trip, many writers questioned his motivations and methods. Many still carried water for the NFL, but a large number of others finally employed that critical thought they so gleefully brushed aside during Bountygate. They figured out that there was little in the way of evidence, and that very little competitive advantage, if any, was gained in the process of deflating these balls. Hmm, does that sound familiar?

As far as King and Duncan go: King is an unabashed water carrier for Goodell and the league office. He treasures his unfettered access and it completely pollutes his "reporting". Nothing he writes or says on television should be taken as anything but PR copy for the league and its Beloved Leader.

Duncan, on the other hand, seems to have an axe to grind with Payton. We have seen first-hand that Payton really has no use for the local media and does not treat them as if they are special flowers in need of TLC. I have mixed feelings about it, but this is something Duncan takes umbrage at, and he used Bountygate as a opportunity to pile on. I won't - and you shouldn't - ever forgive him for his shilling on behalf of Goodell and the league office to suit his own damaged ego. He is both a dingus and a pretty mediocre writer who doesn't deserve the time and attention he gets from people who dislike him.

As you said, Dr. Frankenstein got his comeuppance, and no one should feel sorry for him. Kraft reaped what was sown by him and on his behalf, and only now does he have an issue with the way Goodell wields his power.

tl;dr: Saints received no benefit of the doubt, Patriots and Tom Brady somehow have, and the NFL media has finally caught on because of the parties under the microscope now. Also, Peter King and Jeff Duncan are part of the problem.

Fantastic summary. lus-un2:

 

[onanygivensunday]

Based on the reports I've read, Goodell is going nowhere soon.

And Judge Berman could care less about why the NFL did not correct the ESPN report.. it's irrelevant.

The judge will rule on contract law... Did the NFL abide by the CBA?... or did it not?

That is the question.

 

[SaintBoof]

I think part of the sudden outrage and incredulity about Ballghazi stems from the fact that the NFL media didn't believe something like this could happen to the Patriots/Tom Brady. Spygate barely registered as a blip on the radar when it happened, because Goodell was a newly-minted commish and the evidence was pretty cut-and-dry.

During Bountygate, the Saints team(s) implicated were fresh, up-and-coming iterations of an admittedly dysfunctional and perpetually downtrodden franchise. With success comes contempt, and two years removed from our first SB win, most other NFL fans were already sick of the new kid on the block bullying the league mainstays (Colts, Patriots, etc.) and taking their lunch money.

Despite our minor struggles in 2010, we were still an 11 win team, and the 2009 and 2011 teams were flat out dominant - so fans and writers affiliated with other franchises didn't mind when Goodell began his concussion witch-hunt, regardless of the lack of evidence he could produce of any wrong-doing. Among most media covering the event, critical thought was discouraged, and guilt was assumed. It didn't help that Gregg Williams was (and is) a *******.

But when Brady, the absolute epitome of a Golden Boy in the NFL, became the new target of Goodell's everlasting power trip, many writers questioned his motivations and methods. Many still carried water for the NFL, but a large number of others finally employed that critical thought they so gleefully brushed aside during Bountygate. They figured out that there was little in the way of evidence, and that very little competitive advantage, if any, was gained in the process of deflating these balls. Hmm, does that sound familiar?

As far as King and Duncan go: King is an unabashed water carrier for Goodell and the league office. He treasures his unfettered access and it completely pollutes his "reporting". Nothing he writes or says on television should be taken as anything but PR copy for the league and its Beloved Leader.

Duncan, on the other hand, seems to have an axe to grind with Payton. We have seen first-hand that Payton really has no use for the local media and does not treat them as if they are special flowers in need of TLC. I have mixed feelings about it, but this is something Duncan takes umbrage at, and he used Bountygate as a opportunity to pile on. I won't - and you shouldn't - ever forgive him for his shilling on behalf of Goodell and the league office to suit his own damaged ego. He is both a dingus and a pretty mediocre writer who doesn't deserve the time and attention he gets from people who dislike him.

As you said, Dr. Frankenstein got his comeuppance, and no one should feel sorry for him. Kraft reaped what was sown by him and on his behalf, and only now does he have an issue with the way Goodell wields his power.

tl;dr: Saints received no benefit of the doubt, Patriots and Tom Brady somehow have, and the NFL media has finally caught on because of the parties under the microscope now. Also, Peter King and Jeff Duncan are part of the problem.

I wonder what would have happened if Duncan would have taken the Saints side. Instead the national media got to quote him bashing the Saints, which justified their position, over and over. What if Duncan instead wrote about how in "15000" pages there were 7 pages with anything to do with bounties with the "smoking gun" being an actual picture of Dog the bounty hunter.

Why would the national media question anything when the main local guy is like "yep they did it". He really screwed us on that one. Like in hindsight maybe worse than we thought.

 

[AARPSaint]

Actually, I find this very frustrating in light of Bountygate, which never made it to the real legal system. Now, we are finally seeing what could and should have happened years ago.

 

[26ISTHEMAN]

Personally, I get a lot of pleasure from this scandal. Both roger and the Pats/Kraft are getting bad press, and that's a good thing in my book. The Pats are cheaters, and regardless of what you may think of deflated footballs, they got caught cheating again, and that's a good thing. Kraft was a big supporter of roger when he was hammering the Saints, but now that his team is the target, not so much. To anyone who paid attention to both scandals, he's coming across as a big hypocrite.

On the flip side, roger looks like a fool as well, and that's a good thing. If you count the Rice case, that's two scandals in a row he's completely bungled in the eyes of the media (three in a row if you're a Saints fan or Mike Florio), and eventually, he will fall out of favor with enough owners and get fired. Kraft was his biggest ally, but not any more. I have to believe roger's days are numbered; I just don't know how many he has left.