HC is important for sure but QB is still what matters most (1 Viewer)

[silverbullet]

If we hire McCarthy, fine, but Carr has got to go and as soon as possible. You need the next Burrow, Daniels, Allen.

All Carr does is guarantee mediocrity.

There are only a handful of elite QBs imo:

You either have one or you don't and if you don't, you need elite everything else like the Eagles or Niners last year and even then, that's probably good enough to just get you there and lose.

McCarthy could be a good bridge coach. If you hire him with the expectation that he's simply going to bring back professionalism from the dumpster fire that was Allen but have no delusions of winning anything significant, fine. But if Loomis thinks this could make us a contender and continues to treat the cap and draft that way it's a really bad move.

Find a QB. Keep drafting them until you find one and for god's sake, stop re-signing old washed up dudes and trading up for non QBs.

 

[OzzieSaint]

I agree, but the issue we have is with Carr's contract and our Cap situation. We are pretty much stuck for the next year or two with Carr at QB.
I don't see any QB in this draft that will make a difference and we're probably 3 years away from clearing cap hell and challenging for playoffs coinciding with one another.
If (big if) Carr is healthy, he at least gives you a chance to win some games.

If the next HC (hoping for MM) can keep us improving over the next few years while we continue to hit on the picks in the draft while lowering our cap situation that's what we'll have to do to be a contender again.

 

[sleepingbunch]

Get young coach. Start Rattler. Tank or have a Rattler miracle season. Likely draft a QB in 26.

We might have to keep Carr on the roster. No benefit in having him take us to 9-8 or 8-9.

 

[OzzieSaint]

Get young coach. Start Rattler. Tank or have a Rattler miracle season. Likely draft a QB in 26.

We might have to keep Carr on the roster. No benefit in having him take us to 9-8 or 8-9.

Arch Manning

 

[Stinkers]

Oh look another moronic Carr bashing thread

 

[silverbullet]

Oh look another moronic Carr bashing thread

What do you think Carr's ceiling is as a QB? He will be 34 next season and has never sniffed a playoff run.

Out of the last 30 SB winners, only two: Brad Johnson and Matt Stafford are the oldest two QBs to win their first SB. Both were 34. Carr is NOT winning a SB this year unless we trade him to be a backup to KC.

So what's the point of Carr? He's decent enough to get you to a bad record but not bad enough to bottom our for a top pick to get the next QB.

He's pointless and not to mention, I don't like him, ha.

Start Rattler, I don't care. What's the downside? Id say he's 90 percent not the next guy but hey, there's a chance. I 100 percent know Carr ain't that guy.

Take the cap hit. Move on. He's cancer.

 

[NWSaint]

I'm sold with SR.com (short for Spence Rattler)..

From what i've seen, for a frosh he just had/has that "it/confidence/command" that you want in a young NFL QB.. now, bring in a new HC that he can showcase his skillset to, with a new OC & the Saints will be just fine.. it's a fresh slate from here on out gentlemen, nothing is perfect, but they have a few nice pieces.. a good draft, possibly a trade down to acquire more picks.. they'll be ok.. not gonna happen overnight... remember, Rome was not built in a day..

just my .02


NW.

 

[SuperSaint]

Mccarthy is known as a great developer of QB's.

Aaron Brooks had his best years with Mccarthy, and was out of the league 2 years after he left.

 

[Snakehead]

We really needed another one of these threads. Must be a Wednesday.

 

[big56john]

Mccarthy is known as a great developer of QB's.

Aaron Brooks had his best years with Mccarthy, and was out of the league 2 years after he le

 

[big56john]

Klingsbury best QB developer out there. If he can't develop Rattler target one in the next 2-3 years

 

[SirLoinSaint64]

Belichick was terrible without Brady. P. Manning made a couple guys look good who were absolutely not. The Saints problem, as with many teams around the league, their QB's aren't dynamic but are getting paid like they are.

 

[sleepingbunch]

Oh look another moronic Carr bashing thread

With this current team, do you actually believe Carr can get us past 8-9 or 9-8? And if not, why start him? If so, what have you seen that would make you believe this to be accurate

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Belichick was terrible without Brady. P. Manning made a couple guys look good who were absolutely not. The Saints problem, as with many teams around the league, their QB's aren't dynamic but are getting paid like they are.

But there's a solid argument to the other side of that coin. Coaches who made average, or below average QB's look great. Look what Johnson has been doing with Goff. Kevin O'Connell with first Kirk Cousins and now Sam Darnold. Both of those QB's struggle before and after Kevin O'Connell.

You're pointing to 2 of the top 3 QB's to ever play the game. I can just pointed to two coaches making 3 QB's look really good, and theres a plethora of more options then that such as Payton making Winston look good. Brady making Bridgewater look good. And just for a situation to monitor, what about Baker Mayfield? Supposedly struggled up until Todd Bowles. Even with Sean McVay.

I think Baker Mayfield could be an interesting position. A lot people may not recognize it but his play is still very close to how he played for the Browns and isn't much better. But people act like its a night and day difference. Could you say Mayfield is making Bowles successful or is Bowles making Mayfield successful? Its not always so cut and dry. I suspect the answer is somewhere more in the middle where the two are simply pairing for success and compliment each other. Even though the coaching philosophy hasn't changed from Bowles and the QB play hasn't changed with Mayfield. Mayfields play increased with Coen this season, but still nowhere near a drastic difference.

 

[Shotgunred]

Matt Cassel says your full of it.