Head Coach if there is no GM change (1 Viewer)

[latechsaint26]

How is there no logic to it?

Believing that the success of this franchise was based on culture that he built, and that he could just plug in a coordinator and continue that was a crime. That's based on ego and ego alone.

Having players age isn't something that's unique to this franchise, FYI. But extending underperforming vets? That's a choice.

Our method to the cap was fine when we had Drew Brees under center and our window was always open. Once he retired, that window closed and it's time to stop borrowing from 3-4 years in the future. You reset, you draft well, and if you land a QB you can win a championship with, then you can have that discussion of cap manipulation again. But continuing to act as if this was a Superbowl roster was pure negligence.

Now we're stuck with a pretty bad roster, unable to get out from our average quarterbacks contract, and financially tied to a downright bad and aging defender in Tyran Mathieu, and underperforming once heroes of this franchise in Demario and Cam, but they're 36. It's just not logical to keep making these choices and then doubling down on them.

And then to gaslight this franchise constantly, telling fans to look past the results? Yeah, no. That's weak, that's sad, and that's annoying. The franchise needs to be better than that.

He landed the absolute best QB available.

They can restructure to lower cap hit. Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Kirk Cousins, and Dak all ended up as wayyyy worse free agent QB signings or extensions post Drew.

Do you think Carr is the issue? He’s been fine. And when the offense was healthy, he was quite good.

The roster isn’t nearly as bad as you think it is either. Especially going into this season.

Explain the moves you would’ve made differently at the time and why Loomis did such a poor job. Explain how DA, (yes I’m aware of the results) but who’d been a very good asst coach with us since 2006 and been successful (with us) in every role. Was a bad hire? Remember we’d won 4 divisions in a row and won games when Drew was hurt. And in Sean’s last year we thought injuries were the real issue and still nearly made the playoffs. So explain why trying to keep that culture was am ego trip? And not something you are just making up now based on hindsight

 

[Hedon James]

Loomis won't be in charge. Trust me.

I hope you are correct. It makes sense that Loomis is part of a "selection committee", and MAYBE that committee is looking at GM AND HC candidates. Maybe? Jeezus, I hope...

 

[sfidc3]

LOL you accuse me of making up stuff, I prove you wrong. and you change the subject SMH.

LOL Brady was not even the QB coach Ensminger was along with being OC. Burrow was very much like Daniels , you could see he had all the potential and it came about in his 2nd yr @ LSU

Allen is also down in TD passes and yds as well. I stand by my Brady statement, he has had success ONLY when he has had the elite of the elite offensive talent and it in no way makes him a good to great candidate for a HC position

I see you glossed over the part where Brady received the OC of the year award along with Ensminger.....I'm sure it was because Brady did so little to assist one of the greatest college offenses of all time.....

Allen has 28 TD's with one game left, he had 29 last year....the difference is last year he had 18 picks, this year he has only 6.....that is a huge improvement and one of the reasons they are 13-3 and are contending.....If you don't recognize that then you are just in denial....

 

[Saint KayBee]

Remember we’d won 4 divisions in a row and won games when Drew was hurt. And in Sean’s last year we thought injuries were the real issue and still nearly made the playoffs. So explain why trying to keep that culture was am ego trip? And not something you are just making up now based on hindsight

I imagine there’d have been a lot of handwringing had the FO blown it all up after Payton left.

“Why trade Kamara? He still had some years left” “Demario was so loved he did the pregame speeches!” “Cameron Jordan embodies what it means to be a Saint, why’d they cut him?” “Taysom is magic with the football in his hands, why give him away?” on and on and on, while floating a 3-win team full of castoffs and… well, who-dats.

Teams try to keep winning because everyone in the building enjoys winning. Fans say they’d be fine with some intentional losing. They are lying.

 

[Hedon James]

I imagine there’d have been a lot of handwringing had the FO blown it all up after Payton left.

“Why trade Kamara? He still had some years left” “Demario was so loved he did the pregame speeches!” “Cameron Jordan embodies what it means to be a Saint, why’d they cut him?” “Taysom is magic with the football in his hands, why give him away?” on and on and on, while floating a 3-win team full of castoffs and… well, who-dats.

Teams try to keep winning because everyone in the building enjoys winning. Fans say they’d be fine with some intentional losing. They are lying.

Agreed. I hate losing. I DESPISE the thought of intentional losing. I'm fine with losing as an unintended side-effect of building a dynasty....but the losing needs to be unintentional, with continued signs of improvement across the board (not just 1 player, or 1 aspect), and I need to believe it's necessary to incur that pain to reach the promised land. I'd do just about anything to achieve the stated goal, a Lombardi, short of cheating. I won't be happy about it, but I'll tolerate some losing if it results in bonafide progress...but it MUST result in forward progress. I'm not suggesting a path forward; nor agreement/disagreement with Saints organization. This is MY PERSONAL OUTLOOK and tolerance of the situation in front of us.

 

[DSnfla]

I see you glossed over the part where Brady received the OC of the year award along with Ensminger.....I'm sure it was because Brady did so little to assist one of the greatest college offenses of all time.....

Allen has 28 TD's with one game left, he had 29 last year....the difference is last year he had 18 picks, this year he has only 6.....that is a huge improvement and one of the reasons they are 13-3 and are contending.....If you don't recognize that then you are just in denial....

By Football Scoop. Do you know that Football Scoop is a Baton Rouge based platform that has as it's main platform Twitter with 160,000 followers, could they maybe be a lil bit BIASED??. Here's a common thread with Brady, When he has world class talent @ QB and in LSU's case QB, WR and a very good RB and OL he succeded. When he has mediocre talent ( Carolina ) he fails. How in the world do you think that qualifies him to be a good HC? I'm not saying Brady will never be a good HC I'm saying that nothing he has done so far is ANY indicator that he would be. The Bills offense has not had some big change from even mediocre to great. There have been no big innovation to their offense just a better TD/INT ratio to an already ELITE QB in Allen

Liam Coen has shown he can have a greater improvement with Mayfield and the Bucs offense than Brady did with Allen. Are you that much of an LSU homer to not see this? I mean I'm a big LSU fan but The purple and gold glasses don't cloud my thinking on this one

 

[RJS]

By Football Scoop. Do you know that Football Scoop is a Baton Rouge based platform that has as it's main platform Twitter with 160,000 followers, could they maybe be a lil bit BIASED??. Here's a common thread with Brady, When he has world class talent @ QB and in LSU's case QB, WR and a very good RB and OL he succeded. When he has mediocre talent ( Carolina ) he fails. How in the world do you think that qualifies him to be a good HC? I'm not saying Brady will never be a good HC I'm saying that nothing he has done so far is ANY indicator that he would be. The Bills offense has not had some big change from even mediocre to great. There have been no big innovation to their offense just a better TD/INT ratio to an already ELITE QB in Allen

Liam Coen has shown he can have a greater improvement with Mayfield and the Bucs offense than Brady did with Allen. Are you that much of an LSU homer to not see this? I mean I'm a big LSU fan but The purple and gold glasses don't cloud my thinking on this one

Broyles Award - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[sfidc3]

There have been no big innovation to their offense just a better TD/INT ratio to an already ELITE QB in Allen

This tells me all I need to know, you really don't know much about football.....

 

[NolaE21]

I am not thrilled with either Glenn or Brady. Again, I want someone without any connections to the organization, someone from the outside who can offer a different prospective and who is not beholden to a single person on Airline. And Brady has had his struggles as well as his successes as an NFL assistant, and I do not know whether he has the leadership skills and maturity needed to be a head coach. My top choice is Mike Vrabel. We will not land him.

I rather Gruden over the names I’m hearing. We need a coach with Fire , who holds the players accountable, and who is good with the X’s and O’s. We haven’t had that since Coach Payton. I also remember him whooping our arse with Coach Payton when we played in Vegas.

 

[latechsaint26]

I rather Gruden over the names I’m hearing. We need a coach with Fire , who holds the players accountable, and who is good with the X’s and O’s. We haven’t had that since Coach Payton. I also remember him whooping our arse with Coach Payton when we played in Vegas.

Gruden comes from the Walsh/Holmgren wets coast tree. If they sec sided to go with Rattler, it seems like Gruden would be the guy to go with considering Young, Favre, Mahomes, etc.

 

[jdcomeaux64]

IMO if there is no move in the front office we will hire a Head Coach that had no possible other options to be a NFL Head Coach.

Think someone like Joe Brady.

People like that. I think if Aaron Glenn had options like the Jets or Saints for example he would pick the Jets. If there are no options left then he would come here.

Head Coach and General Manager is a marriage of sorts or like having a business partner. It’s hard to create alignment with your business partner if they are near the end of their career and you’re in your prime.

Our General Manager is knocking on the door of 70 years old. Real Head Coaches w real options know this is a problem and they also want real control.

This setup is how we got DA. He was never going to get another chance. DA was also willing to cede control.

We need an alpha dog Head Coach and we won’t get it under these conditions.

If Mickey Mouse is not gone will will continue the same for years to come. Gayle we are begging for a change it sucks going to the dome only to see the same stuff year after year, Drew is gone.