Head Coach if there is no GM change (17 Viewers)

[sfidc3]

Wait Wait , Brady was just an offensive ast. with the Saints, he had NO success with the Saints at all his role was minimal. At LSU he brought some of Payton's concepts to maybe THE most talented college offense EVER. And he was not the playcaller, Lloyd Cushenberry made 99% of the calls
To compare Brady to Payton is pretty much insane. Fassel was one of the most conservative HCs in the last 30 yrs almost as much as Bud Grant. Payton wanted to open up the offense and Fassel wanted 3yrds and a cloud of dust.

In Buff Dorsey was a scapegoat because Allen was in a slump In 22 Dorsey had the Bills 2nd in the league in scoring and yds. Maybe when Brady does not have maybe the best college QB in 20 yrs and a a QB that was a future HOF QB BEFORE he got there to work with and excels then you can talk about Brady being HC material

That's like giving the driver of the fastest race car all the credit for doing well in the race

I think at this point you should just admit that you don't like Joe Brady....

Because at this point (like so many others) you are just making stuff up....the primary play caller in 2019 was Ensminger except in critical situations (3rd downs and RZ), which Brady was responsible for.....Additionally Brady created/designed most of the plays they ran....

Also, for someone who did so little at LSU then why did both Brady and Ensminger receive the Offensive Coordinator of the Year award, the very 1st time 2 coaches got the award.....and then Brady immediately got the offer to be the OC for an NFL team, at 31 years old.....

Pathetic.....did it ever occur to you why one of the best teams with one of the best young QB's (Bills and Allen) went after Brady in the 1st place?

 

[DSnfla]

I think at this point you should just admit that you don't like Joe Brady....

Because at this point (like so many others) you are just making stuff up....the primary play caller in 2019 was Ensminger except in critical situations (3rd downs and RZ), which Brady was responsible for.....Additionally Brady created/designed most of the plays they ran....

Also, for someone who did so little at LSU then why did both Brady and Ensminger receive the Offensive Coordinator of the Year award, the very 1st time 2 coaches got the award.....and then Brady immediately got the offer to be the OC for an NFL team, at 31 years old.....

Pathetic.....did it ever occur to you why one of the best teams with one of the best young QB's (Bills and Allen) went after Brady in the 1st place?

LOL making stuff up? How about from the horse's mouth, read for yourself.
You're right I don't like Brady for a HC position because all he has done is do well with 2 absolutely GREAT QBs and great offenses. If he had taken a decent QB and offense and made them great or was known for innovative play calling then I would think different but he has not. As far as the Bills going after Brady, when you have one of the fastest racing cars in the game you don't need the best driver
https://247sports.com/college/lsu/l...-orleans-steve-ensminger-interview-142080486/

 

[DerrickB]

So this is about Gruden now?
I'll believe it when I see it.
Ain't no way he's seriously considered a candidate.

 

[St. Geezy]

So this is about Gruden now?
I'll believe it when I see it.
Ain't no way he's seriously considered a candidate.

I agree, though I am not totally against it, I also at the same time think we could do better.

We are definitely a renegade organization however, similar to the Raiders under Al Davis, marching to a beat of our own drum and not afraid to bump heads with the folks at 345 Park Ave., so nothing would totally shock me.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I don’t care what anyone else thinks on this matter, but I’m 100% positive imo that Payton left because of Loomis. Unable to get Payton the QBs he requested as Brees aged and the cap issue, watching that can get bigger and bigger while not replacing ageing vets, the storm that was coming was written on the wall long ago. And Payton saw it. So he dipped.

With that said, I agree 100% with the OP. Payton left because of Loomis, and no head coach candidate with any other options will come here. We are the worst option in the league, and candidates like Ben Johnson and Joe Brady will practically have their pick of what team to head coach for. If they don’t like any of the options, they’ll just go back to coordinator for a year like Ben Johnson did last offseason.

And with that said, I don’t think Aaron Glenn will have many options, we may be his only. And I don’t have any faith at all that Glenn will be a good enough head coach to turn this franchise around.

Looks like we’re in a desperate GM rut akin to how we were with a bad head coach a year ago.

 

[Hubig]

A lot of this depends on what you can sell a head coach. The one thing you can point to when talking to a candidate is that you'll be given time and that this is a patient organization unlike many others who will be filling their coaching vacancies. The Jets, while in much better shape, talent wise to build around, has an insanely crappy owner. The Giants, if they fire Daboll, have 3 playoff teams now, I include a healthy Dallas team next season. The NFC north has 3 playoff teams and is currently the most competitive division in football this season and probably going forward. Caleb Williams is a big unknown and tbh, he didn't play well vs ranked opponents in college, I don't think currently he's IT.

The NFC south is a wide open division, much easier to compete there than in the NFC north and east. Jacksonville could be a really attractive job if you think you can take T.law's game to the next level. Jets are a complete dumpster fire organization. Raiders are a complete dumpster fire organization. I do not believe the Saints are a dumpster fire organization but are for sure stagnant and I think some level of delusion took hold but after this season, that delusion *should* have been dispelled. While the Saints are in cap hell, no long term future at QB, the next coach knows he'll have time and thats more than what you can say about other jobs who regularly fire coaches after 1 season.

 

[sfidc3]

LOL making stuff up? How about from the horse's mouth, read for yourself.
You're right I don't like Brady for a HC position because all he has done is do well with 2 absolutely GREAT QBs and great offenses. If he had taken a decent QB and offense and made them great or was known for innovative play calling then I would think different but he has not. As far as the Bills going after Brady, when you have one of the fastest racing cars in the game you don't need the best driver
https://247sports.com/college/lsu/l...-orleans-steve-ensminger-interview-142080486/

Welp, Burrow wasn't a great QB until Brady got there, not saying he is the only reason but he was definitely a factor.....and Allen's turnovers are way, way down in Brady's 1st full year as OC in Buffalo (6 INTs, after 4 straight years of double digit INTs), in fact he is having his best year.....but I'm sure that is just coincidence....

Also I'm sure the Bills thought lets promote Brady to OC because he is not the best driver.....what a bunch of hogwash....

 

[DeuceMcAllisterFan]

If Tony Pauline is to be believed, then Rebel nailed it again.

 

[Judge_Smails]

If Tony Pauline is to be believed, then Rebel nailed it again.

?? Tony Pauline = REBELMAX ??

 

[Pkessling]

If Loomis remains the GM, the Saints will hire a “big name” former NFL Head Coach. And we as fans, will have to go through at least 3 more frustrating years..

 

[Rexman100]

I like Gruden, I just think that he’s out of touch with reality to a degree. Like he took on that persona of Gruden’s camp. Once people start to get in that camera atmosphere, they change. I want a guy who has never been in front of the camera. A guy who will want to stay out of the limelight and just breathe football

DA fits that beta example

 

[DSnfla]

Welp, Burrow wasn't a great QB until Brady got there, not saying he is the only reason but he was definitely a factor.....and Allen's turnovers are way, way down in Brady's 1st full year as OC in Buffalo (6 INTs, after 4 straight years of double digit INTs), in fact he is having his best year.....but I'm sure that is just coincidence....

Also I'm sure the Bills thought lets promote Brady to OC because he is not the best driver.....what a bunch of hogwash....

LOL you accuse me of making up stuff, I prove you wrong. and you change the subject SMH.

LOL Brady was not even the QB coach Ensminger was along with being OC. Burrow was very much like Daniels , you could see he had all the potential and it came about in his 2nd yr @ LSU

Allen is also down in TD passes and yds as well. I stand by my Brady statement, he has had success ONLY when he has had the elite of the elite offensive talent and it in no way makes him a good to great candidate for a HC position

 

[latechsaint26]

There are problems at the top with Loomis, whether you want to believe it or not. Max isn't just grasping at air to come up with this; he's proven to be well-connected and when he has news it always proves to be true. Read his post history and look at what we've seen from Loomis in terms of actions (or lack there of), mannerisms, and behavior and tell me it doesn't line up with a control-hungry and credit-seeking GM who only wants a "yes man" for a head coach.

I have to agree that you people are just out for blood at this point.

There’s not any logic to it. Loomis is in the will. He’s had some players age, some picks struggled but he’s gone and found the people to come in and help. I think we should’ve addressed OL depth before the season but I don’t think we knew we’d spend a third of the season missing our QB, 3-4 OL, and all of our WRs on offense.

The cap situation is overblown. Harley is still here and it’s still an advantage, not a bad thing. We are still using next years cap now and it’s because our owner has the cash and will to make that happen. If you don’t understand this after more than a decade, it’s just sad at this point.

I get it. They have been bad and DA didn’t work out. It happens. But this is the second time in what? 23 seasons that Loomis will have a roster with less than 7 wins. He’s signed two of the best free agents of all time. He’s hired a top 10 all-time head coach. And he’s had two of the top 5 all time draft classes ever.

You don’t think we should keep Rizzi on as ST Coordinator? Who else do you want there? It’s not like AG doesn’t know him.

The fan culture of just hating on everyone in our organization because we have struggled replacing Sean and Drew, has got to stop. It’s weak. It’s sad. It’s annoying. Be better than that.