Ian Rapoport: Saints to make a decision on Taysom Hill; hard to imagine Hill returning [T.Hill is turning 35 w/ 18M cap hit & ACL recovery] (7 Viewers)

[MV2]

New coach with a new offense. Taysom is old. Time to move on. Love the guy, but we need to get younger and build a team for the next 5 years.

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

Johnson is our most productive pass-catching TE, though Moreau stepped up his game this past season.

I'd be fine with the market determining if Johnson is back. I think he's shown enough to be in the mix of competition, but not enough to be a player the team has to prioritize if the salary doesn't make sense on their end. A late round pick isn't likely replacing his production anytime soon, so the team would either need to target TE earlier or look for an upgrade in free agency.

Great points I agree 100 percent.

 

[ravenblade23x]

He's recovering from a torn ACL that he had surgery for in December. At 35 years old. He won't be ready for camp and most likely begin the season on IR. The Saints aren't deep enough to carry him into the season without filling his roster spot. Remember, Foster Moreau also had a bad knee injury requiring surgery and Juwan Johnson is a free agent. We can't just sit on the roster spots no matter what the money looks like. Holker is the only guy under contract that doesn't have a blown out knee.

Yeah but the $275k you save is not going to fill his role either. Why pay him $17m to leave when you can pay him $17m to sit on IR and see if he get healthy.

I think they will try and do a restructure and have him take a pay cut. Like you said he is a 35 year old player coming off injury. His only market is NO and if he does leave is taking a massive pay cut anyways. I am sure the could work something out that reduces his overall cap hit this year, without putting more dead money on the books in the future and lets him finish out his career in NO. Pretty sure pay cut was what you suggested in your cap thread last week.

 

[B4YOU]

JJ is a FA coming off a 6M/yr contract. Hill has an ACL injury and 10M/1yr deal. Foster has a knee injury and a 4M/1yr deal. Holker is on a rookie deal.

I would offer JJ 10M over 2yrs. He hasn’t played like a 6M TE and Foster is the more complete piece. We should offer Hill an injury settlement or 1-yr extension with a pay cut >5M. We need to sign a FA TE with Hill and Foster injured and only Holker under contract.

 

[rlemieux]

I love Taysom, as most Saints fans do, but that’s another bad contract due to the Mickey Loomis effect. No one other than the Saints give Hill that contract. Great player, even better guy but a really bad contract.

 

[Elvis]

Yeah but the $275k you save is not going to fill his role either. Why pay him $17m to leave when you can pay him $17m to sit on IR and see if he get healthy.

I think they will try and do a restructure and have him take a pay cut. Like you said he is a 35 year old player coming off injury. His only market is NO and if he does leave is taking a massive pay cut anyways. I am sure the could work something out that reduces his overall cap hit this year, without putting more dead money on the books in the future and lets him finish out his career in NO.

Well, we wouldn't be paying him $17m in actual money. We'd be taking his dead money cap hit from past prorated roster bonuses on this years cap. And that removes $9.2m from next years cap. So if he isn't going to play anyway and you don't get a discount, it's better for next season to cut him this season.

 

[ccss]

Sign him on a new contract for league minimum.

 

[ravenblade23x]

Well, we wouldn't be paying him $17m in actual money. We'd be taking his dead money cap hit from past prorated roster bonuses on this years cap. And that removes $9.2m from next years cap. So if he isn't going to play anyway and you don't get a discount, it's better for next season to cut him this season.

I know where not paying him $17m but it's still $17m in dead money.

Let's move pass the dead money issues and talk about the second option that I have mentioned several times. Which would be a restructure and pay cut.

Like I said in my previous post, you never mentioned cutting Hill in your big 2025 cap thread, but instead mentioned a pay cut, which is in fact what I am saying I think they should do.

So have you changed your position since then and now they they should cut Hill, or do you belive like me that a pay cut is still the more likely outcome.

 

[sfidc3]

I would love to see Hill play for a contending team next year. He deserves a shot. But I don't know where things stand with Hill and the salary cap.

This is not a knock against TH (at all), but I honestly don't think a contending team would use a roster spot on a 35 year old utility player coming off a major injury.....

 

[St. Geezy]

New coach with a new offense. Taysom is old. Time to move on. Love the guy, but we need to get younger and build a team for the next 5 years.

You’re discounting the idea that “new coach = a new person that has observed Taysom from afar in envy and has his own ideas on how he’d use him.”

 

[DavidM]

This is not a knock against TH (at all), but I honestly don't think a contending team would use a roster spot on a 35 year old utility player coming off a major injury.....

I mostly agree, but I think there's a team in the Rockies that would keep a spot warm for him if that became possible. Maybe. And then there's a discussion about how serious of a contender they really are in a stacked conference, but can't deny the improvement happening there.

 

[sfidc3]

I mostly agree, but I think there's a team in the Rockies that would keep a spot warm for him if that became possible. Maybe. And then there's a discussion about how serious of a contender they really are in a stacked conference, but can't deny the improvement happening there.

Haha, good point, wouldn't surprise me at all....

 

[Elvis]

I know where not paying him $17m but it's still $17m in dead money.

Let's move pass the dead money issues and talk about the second option that I have mentioned several times. Which would be a restructure and pay cut.

Like I said in my previous post, you never mentioned cutting Hill in your big 2025 cap thread, but instead mentioned a pay cut, which is in fact what I am saying I think they should do.

So have you changed your position since then and now they they should cut Hill, or do you belive like me that a pay cut is still the more likely outcome.

It's the option I chose in that thread, but it's not the only option. And remember restructure and pay cut are two different things. A pay cut is a renegotiation that require the player to accept the pay cut and the restructure is just moving money around.

Now if you're saying to get him to take a $5m pay cut and then restructure what's left, then I am totally on board. Overthecap doesn't give me the ability to do both, but I suspect it could be done.

 

[St. Widge]

I love Taysom, as most Saints fans do, but that’s another bad contract due to the Mickey Loomis effect. No one other than the Saints give Hill that contract. Great player, even better guy but a really bad contract.

Meh. Payton's the one that made him a QB on the roster and that's why he got paid like a QB. Payton was the one driving the bus on giving Hill that deal.

 

[St. Widge]

This is not a knock against TH (at all), but I honestly don't think a contending team would use a roster spot on a 35 year old utility player coming off a major injury.....

The only one that I think might is Sean Payton. I think he would love to have that versatility and leadership in Denver. But, I'm not sure Denver counts as a contender at this point.