If Dallas or Pittsburgh Wanted to Move Up to 9, Which Offer Do You Prefer the Saints Take? (Mock Trade) (1 Viewer)

[saint_drago]

The Steelers offer is interesting. You're moving way down but picking up a 1 and 3 next year. The Steelers are going to find a way to win around 9 or 10 games a year so that 1 isn't going to be high but an extra 1 and 3 gives you so many options.

But I don't know why we do this to ourselves. We talk about the scenarios and possibilities of the Saints trading back. We dream of accumulating picks. Then they NEVER trade back. Only up. Instead of hoarding picks they burn them. It's fun to think about though. Maybe one day. It has to happen eventually right?

 

[Stalwart385]

Use the extra first next year to move up and get the qb you want.

 

[Trey W.]

Well I hate Dallas and their offer isn’t that good. I like Pitt’s better because we get an extra 1st next year which we can use to trade up for a QB.

 

[SaintLuke]

Only acceptable offer is a team's first round pick for the next three years.

Is that you, Sony Weaver, Jr.?

 

[No2DC]

Dallas just signed Milton, the out the game.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Pitt’s 2026 picks equate to a 2025 2nd and 4th, right? If so, it seems light to move up that many spots.

 

[livefromDC]

Every year they say next years will be better.

Not true. No one said that last year. 2025 has always shaped up to be a down year. The lie that DOES get told every year: "The Saints need ____________, luckily the draft is deep at _____________."

We could look that up on SR and find someone saying roughly that going back to the time of Jesus Jim Brown Christ.

 

[TribuneUK]

These are fairly common scenarios when Shed is still on the board at pick 9. I've tended to like both depending on whose available, although I prefer not to give up pick 93 to Dallas for the privilege of getting 44, so then negotiate to the point where they refuse any less and I turn to Pitt's offer. At that point, you either let them keep the 2026 3rd in return for a 3-4 this year, or accept the offer as is, plus a value add 5th round on top.
For example:-



My best trade down results have tended to be when Seattle see an OL they want and they swing in with a 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd offer. Then it's fun to go shopping.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

.I was playing with the mock simulator today, and this is what I was offered for 9.
If it had to happen, which offer would you prefer the Saints to accept?

Probably Dallas. An extra top 50 pick would be ideal for them this year.

 

[SWJJ]

These are fairly common scenarios when Shed is still on the board at pick 9. I've tended to like both depending on whose available, although I prefer not to give up pick 93 to Dallas for the privilege of getting 44, so then negotiate to the point where they refuse any less and I turn to Pitt's offer. At that point, you either let them keep the 2026 3rd in return for a 3-4 this year, or accept the offer as is, plus a value add 5th round on top.
For example:-



My best trade down results have tended to be when Seattle see an OL they want and they swing in with a 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd offer. Then it's fun to go shopping.

If Membou or Campbell are there, Seattle may part with one of their two 2nd rounders to move up. I'm not mad at gettting a second and a late day pick to move back to 18.

I have seen several scenarios where Mason Graham falls to 8 and we could be in a bidding war. Cinci gets into the fold trying to trade up from 17.

I'd love to go from 9 to 17 or 18 and pick up either pick 49 or 50. KC is a low key sleeper to move up into the top 10 as well. 31 + 63 + 66 + KC's 2nd in 2026 would be quite the haul for number 9.

If seattle doesnt get a lineman at 18, they may look to package 50+52 to move up to end of the first for someone like Josh Simmons if he's still available.

So if we trade down with KC, Trade 31 and a later round pick for 50 and 52, we could end up with 40, 50, 52, 63, 66, 71, and 93 for 7 top 100 players in the draft.

I'd think we could get Dart at 40, Or CB Morrison, Maybe Xavier Watts, Tr Harris, or Mason Taylor.

and maybe another one or two of those guys may still be there at 50 and 52.

at 60 we could look at Junkins or Kaleb Johnson

66 TJ Saunders or Alfred Collins, get some run stuffing help

71 Fannin or Gunnar Help

93 best edge guy left, Burch or Kennard

I did this mock today:

 

[St. Widge]

Not true. No one said that last year. 2025 has always shaped up to be a down year. The lie that DOES get told every year: "The Saints need ____________, luckily the draft is deep at _____________."

We could look that up on SR and find someone saying roughly that going back to the time of Jesus Jim Brown Christ.

Meh. It's obviously hyperbole to say it happens every year. But, it does often happen that people talk about how the draft next year will be better or a certain position group will be great. And, it's bullshirt because you have an entire year of injuries and bad performances before boards are set. NFL scouts haven't even scouted the guys that are likely to be eligible next year so there is really no way to know if next year, or any other year, will be good or bad until the scouts actually do the scouting. Even then you have to wait until about now before teams take into account what actual NFL coaches think about the players.

But it's also hyperbole to say that every year someone says "The Saints need ____________, luckily the draft is deep at _____________." I'm not aware of anyone saying this year that the Saints need a specific position, but luckily the draft is deep at that position. The draft is very deep at RB, but I don't think that is a position we "need". You'd certainly like one given Miller's injury history and Kamra's age, but we do also have CEH under contract so we are okay. But, it would be great to add a young player if the right value is there.

 

[livefromDC]

Meh. It's obviously hyperbole to say it happens every year. But, it does often happen that people talk about how the draft next year will be better or a certain position group will be great. And, it's bullshirt because you have an entire year of injuries and bad performances before boards are set. NFL scouts haven't even scouted the guys that are likely to be eligible next year so there is really no way to know if next year, or any other year, will be good or bad until the scouts actually do the scouting. Even then you have to wait until about now before teams take into account what actual NFL coaches think about the players.

But it's also hyperbole to say that every year someone says "The Saints need ____________, luckily the draft is deep at _____________." I'm not aware of anyone saying this year that the Saints need a specific position, but luckily the draft is deep at that position. The draft is very deep at RB, but I don't think that is a position we "need". You'd certainly like one given Miller's injury history and Kamra's age, but we do also have CEH under contract so we are okay. But, it would be great to add a young player if the right value is there.

This is from a quick search of SR. The posts are from this year, last year, 2023, 2022, and 2021. Just to prove a point, I searched 2011, LOL. Sure enough, there it is. Some insinuation that this draft is deep in places we need! I can absolutely say it as fact. The draft is always surprisingly deep at a position people think the Saints need.

Here's my breakdown of our current roster needs:

Must Have:

*DE - I'm ready to give up on Alex Brown but Charleston has shown promise. However in a draft this deep in DE's we gotta get one of those guys at 24.

*NT - I thought Ayodele played well last year. But wouldn't it be great to have a dominant force at nose? And if Ayodele goes down, we have nothing.

*SLB - Because Casillias will start at WLB and Shanle is starting to show his age. Hopefully we can get someone in FA. Unless we draft someone who can come in and start like Herzlich in the 2nd or 3rd.

Marcus Davenport for one.

I'd trade him to a team who could better use his talents at OLB and secure more traditional 4-3 ends with this draft since it's so deep.

Maybe the Pats or Cardinals would want him.

We don’t have that many needs. We need a WR…that can be accomplished outside of round 1. This is any incredibly deep WR class. I’d like a 1st round WR…but there will be very good WRs through round 3. There’s also good depth at OT in the draft. Hurst and Young are both serviceable at tackle. It’s not as dire as some make it seem. I’d also like a TE, but again…that’s not a 1st round need. The Saints could use a safety…but they are highly unlikely to beat out the guys in house. The Saints could use a RB…again…late round pick/UDFA is fine.

This is a good year to be in need of a RB. This draft is deep with backs. It's not one of those top heavy classes we've seen lately that have two stars and then the rest. This class has a wide variety of quality backs with different builds and styles. Bangers, slashers, pass catchers, this class has it all. I don't think the Saints will take one in the first two rounds but in the 3rd and 4th there should be a lot of talent still on the board.

I've done a few draft simulations on PFF and I usually wait until the 5th, 6th, or 7th to take a RB. A guy who usually still available in this range is Hassan Haskins. I think he'd bee a good fit late.

Yeah I'd love another pick in the top 60 of this draft. This draft has deep talent in areas of need. We could get 4 good starters out of those picks

We need help at 3 positions that are deep in this draft WR, Oline, and DT. Lots of depth at those positions in this draft, keep those picks for depth. We need to get younger!!

This is a surprisingly deep draft at almost all positions.

Give me Jeanty in the 1st. His running style compliments AK and he is in tune to his body like AK with massages, etc. He might be able to get into the same routine which could help his career.

I only say Jeanty b/c there is a lot of deep talent at our positions of need.

I might try a couple mocks to see how things fall by going with him in the 1st.

Your top 3 needs can easily be found outside of the first round. I will repeat ad nauseum, this is a deep draft at those positions. And if you're just looking at a bowl game and only seeing 3.5ypc, it's confirmation bias. You see that and say, "well, his OL is bad and he couldn't overcome it" while I see that and say, "3.5ypc against a defense that is selling out to stop you is stellar."

Every year. I call it Draft Tunnel Vision Syndrome. People focus in on what they think the Saints needs so they pay closer attention to that position which tricks them into thinking, "hey the draft is really deep at this position the Saints need! What luck!"

 

[St. Widge]

This is from a quick search of SR. The posts are from this year, last year, 2023, 2022, and 2021. Just to prove a point, I searched 2011, LOL. Sure enough, there it is. Some insinuation that this draft is deep in places we need! I can absolutely say it as fact. The draft is always surprisingly deep at a position people think the Saints need.



















Every year. I call it Draft Tunnel Vision Syndrome. People focus in on what they think the Saints needs so they pay closer attention to that position which tricks them into thinking, "hey the draft is really deep at this position the Saints need! What luck!"

I mean if your criteria is one person out of thousands saying that, okay. But, I'm not sure it means much. But, the truth is that this year, and really for the last 5 years, we have needs at every position so there is bound to be a position in the draft that is deep where we have a need. And even if a large number of people did say it every year, that doesn't mean it's wrong every year.

At any rate, I'm not going to bother spending time searching every year, but I would bet you could also find posts almost every year saying that the draft is going to be deep next year at any number of positions or that it will be deeper next year. Sometimes it turns out to be true, but nobody really can know that the year before the draft. Unexepected players show up and ball out every year and guys that were supposed to be locks for the top of the 1st have terrible years or get hurt.

 

[livefromDC]

I mean if your criteria is one person out of thousands saying that, okay. But, I'm not sure it means much. But, the truth is that this year, and really for the last 5 years, we have needs at every position so there is bound to be a position in the draft that is deep where we have a need. And even if a large number of people did say it every year, that doesn't mean it's wrong every year.

At any rate, I'm not going to bother spending time searching every year, but I would bet you could also find posts almost every year saying that the draft is going to be deep next year at any number of positions or that it will be deeper next year. Sometimes it turns out to be true, but nobody really can know that the year before the draft. Unexepected players show up and ball out every year and guys that were supposed to be locks for the top of the 1st have terrible years or get hurt.

First off, I didn't post every instance. I just posted enough examples to show you what I mean. It's there. I see it every year so I knew it was there.

Secondly, I was able to back it up because I know it was there because I have read SR for years now. So to your point, I disagree with the same amount of confidence I have stated the above. It's not an annual assertion that next year's draft is better. From my experience here, that's blatantly not true.

But you're not inclined to prove your point and I won't press you to do so. Surely, if it were true, the posts would be as easy to find as the ones I found, but thats your right. I contend that you'd be wasting your time anyway, though, since it isnt nearly as prevalent as the, "our draft needs are deep in this draft" fallacy.

But let's agree to disagree.