It's absolutely criminal that we don't have a SB to show for that 2017 draft (1 Viewer)

[picnicwithfish]

Regardless of no call or not, I think if Brees would have stepped away a few years earlier then we could have definitely won 2 championships with Brady and maybe a late three peat with him. I mean we swept the Bucs in a dominating way when they did have Brady, our defense was that legit. Maybe we go almost undefeated with Brady one of those years. I'm sure we would have also had some vets willing to join for cheap to go on a run with us as well if we had Brady

Problem was that Brees, love the guy, wasn’t going to retire on the sour taste of that loss from the no call. Then it became about keeping it together to get one more in spite of the obvious decline in his ability to throw the ball with velocity. He should have retired after they would have beat New England in the Super Bowl that should of happened.

 

[picnicwithfish]

I feel like no one but me ever brings this up, but to this day I still don't understand the deep ball to Ginn before the 2-minute warning.

If EVER there was a time to dink and dunk downfield, while forcing the Rams to burn timeouts en route to a walk-off FG attempt, that was it.

I’ve had multiple arguments with so many people about so many aspects of that game. Here is what it all boils down to. Even with lots of bad play calls, bad breaks, missed opportunities, the game plan had us exactly where we wanted to be to win that game. If the no call is called, you run the clock down and kick the field goal (which was about 99.9% chance to make).

Now, let’s say they miss the field goal and go into overtime with a missed kick rather than a deflating screw job. I still feel they compose themselves and win rather than being emotionally defeated before overtime happened. Needless to say, if the no call was called we go to a 99.9% chance to win the game with no time left on the clock and punch our ticket to the Superbowl.

 

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I’ve had multiple arguments with so many people about so many aspects of that game. Here is what it all boils down to. Even with lots of bad play calls, bad breaks, missed opportunities, the game plan, and execution, had us exactly where we wanted to be to win that game. If the no call is called, you run the clock down and kick the field goal (which was about 99.9% chance to make).

Now, let’s say they miss the field goal and go into overtime with a missed kick rather than a deflating screw job. I still feel they compose themselves and win rather than being emotionally defeated before overtime happened. Needless to say, if the no call was called we go to a 99.9% chance to win the game with no time left on the clock and punch our ticket to the Superbowl.

I'm not questioning the impact of the no-call whatsoever.......what I'm saying is that Sean Payton, who typically was very good with those types of late-game play calling scenarios, somehow weirdly decided that in a tied game prior to the 2-minute warning, the Saints needed to try to score a TD in a chunk play, or get very close.

And if that had happened, while I would certainly like to believe that the Saints could have kept the Rams out of the end zone, they would have still had a solid amount of time to work with. Whereas if the Saints had been more methodical, we could have ended up with that walk off FG attempt (albeit likely from a longer distance than what we would have had if the no-call had actually been called).

 

[picnicwithfish]

I'm not questioning the impact of the no-call whatsoever.......what I'm saying is that Sean Payton, who typically was very good with those types of late-game play calling scenarios, somehow weirdly decided that in a tied game prior to the 2-minute warning, the Saints needed to try to score a TD in a chunk play, or get very close.

And if that had happened, while I would certainly like to believe that the Saints could have kept the Rams out of the end zone, they would have still had a solid amount of time to work with. Whereas if the Saints had been more methodical, we could have ended up with that walk off FG attempt (albeit likely from a longer distance than what we would have had if the no-call had actually been called).

I don’t 100% remember the sequence, and 100% refuse to go rewatch it, but I remember the Rams stepping up their pressure game to try and get the ball back which opened up the long pass. One of many things Payton was a master at was taking what the defense gave you. The defense gave us the opportunity with Ginn on a one on one.

Also, I think the loss in the playoffs the previous year played into how Payton approached that game. He wanted to get into field goal range, run the clock to 3 seconds, and kick the game winner with no time to lose the game.

 

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Regardless of no call or not, I think if Brees would have stepped away a few years earlier then we could have definitely won 2 championships with Brady and maybe a late three peat with him. I mean we swept the Bucs in a dominating way when they did have Brady, our defense was that legit. Maybe we go almost undefeated with Brady one of those years. I'm sure we would have also had some vets willing to join for cheap to go on a run with us as well if we had Brady

Man....no offense, but this sounds like some serious revisionist history fanfiction.

The same 2020 Bucs with the greatest QB of all time, who got absolutely hot at the most perfect time.....were still trailing the Saints by 7 late in the 3rd qtr, with a possibility of going down 14 (thanks Jared).

And for people that now pretend like they wanted Brady over Brees heading into 2020..... Yeah, I would love to know how many people on this forum were clamoring for that after he was eliminated in the 2019 WC playoffs in Foxboro to the Titans. In fact, I'm willing to bet many people here were claiming he was done after that game.

 

[picnicwithfish]

Man....no offense, but this sounds like some serious revisionist history fanfiction.

The same 2020 Bucs with the greatest QB of all time, who got absolutely hot at the most perfect time.....were still trailing the Saints by 7 late in the 3rd qtr, with a possibility of going down 14 (thanks Jared).

And for people that now pretend like they wanted Brady over Brees heading into 2020..... Yeah, I would love to know how many people on this forum were clamoring for that after he was eliminated in the 2019 WC playoffs in Foxboro to the Titans. In fact, I'm willing to bet many people here were claiming he was done after that game.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing. I 100% would have never taken Brady over Brees while they were both playing, BUT had Brees retired instead of trying to keep it rolling after the no call, I would have been pretty happy to have Brady for those last years.

 

[Stinkers]

Be careful, someone’s gonna say that’s an excuse

Even though he was in Oakland at the time, some here probably blame Carr for that non-PI too

 

[MikeyF]

Always cracks me up that "Brees can't throw well downfield" has become a universal answer for why the Saints lost any playoff game after 2018. I'll assume someone forgot to tell the teams they were playing and defeating 11 to 13 times a season that they shouldn't have been losing games to the Saints. Because deep pass reasons.

How did Peyton Manning's arm look in 2015?

Denver's D had a lot to do with his 2015 win...

 

[tyler735]

It’s kind of funny all these later and our 2 “worst picks” in that draft are getting regular playing time for the best team in football currently and could potentially even win a Super Bowl with the Lions this year. Happy to see Anzalone and Muhammad

 

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Denver's D had a lot to do with his 2015 win...

They absolutely did. My point is, people act like there was no way the Saints could have won a championship unless Brees was playing like he did in 2009 or 2011. Half of his final 4 playoff runs were cut short due to inexcusable nonsense (Minneapolis Miracle / No-Call).