Jason Cole article: Brees - 3rd Franchise Tag? CBA Wording (1 Viewer)

[nolaskinsfan]

He is not worth more than was offered, except maybe in his head.

And how much was that since you clearly have the inside scoop??
He is worth what Jerry Jones is willing to play if the Saints don't get their $#!% together.

I was coming here to post this very thing. The wording does seem to indicate that Jason Cole was incorrect....shocker there

Oh please, if the roles were reversed you'd just tak crap about Florio..the one who agrees with you is right...Shocker. Florio, doesn't even say it's concrete he says it "strongly implies". To who? Obviously not to Brees or Condon.

You have to ignore what you always "thought it said"... and look at what it actually says. After you establish that, you look at the context.

The wording can be debated back and forth but the context of the spirit of the rule seems pretty clear to me. The whole point is to protect players from multiple Tags. Drew has an excellent case, but the better point here is, is it really advantageous to keep someone here, if in the end they are not happy?

 

[St. Anger]

Brees will sign a long term deal before July 15th. All will be good. This offseason will be just an afterthought in a few months. Now go lad, sleep, rest, drink and be fruitful.

The clouds darken more every day. If he would have signed a long term deal, it would have been done.

 

[Sarcastic]

I was coming here to post this very thing. The wording does seem to indicate that Jason Cole was incorrect....shocker there

What? Cole just reported the stance that the players and agents are taking on the franchise tag wording. How is he wrong? You're saying that Condon/Brees are wrong, not Cole.

And your use of Florio to prove your point just goes to show once again the Golden Rule of SSF...any reporter who agrees with what you want to hear is a genius, and anyone who disagrees with you is a worthless hack

Florio, indeed.

We have five pages of argument over semantics and some of you want to act like it's clear cut? Come on, obviously it's not obvious.

 

[Sarcastic]

Neither side is backing down on this unless/until it goes to arbitration and the wording is clarified. Even then, as things have gone this offseason, there could be litigation

Better start preparing for a really ugly situation...our best hope at this point, I think, is that Brees plays under the tag this year in order to continue the debate to next offseason, when we'll be right back where we started

I hope I'm wrong, but this news is legitimate sky-is-falling stuff.

 

[SharonT]

It's also an assumption that *this* is what is holding up negotiations.

We won't know for sure until all's said and done, and even then, we may not know all the intricacies or possible avenues this "thing" may have taken, or why, or who said what, etc.

This is all speculation on our parts.

 

[mt15]

I sure hope this stance from Drew is only a bluff based on the recent talk that the Saints wouldn't go above a certain figure for guaranteed money. The figure was the total of the three years of franchise tag money, IIRC, so this could just be a way for Brees to say not so fast, you may not have a third tag available.

What I find much more troubling is the statement by 2 other GMs in the Cole article:

Loomis is also trying to crunch some different logic with his fellow executives. Last week, two executives from other teams said Loomis was saying he intended to keep Brees' contract in line with being "one of the top five quarterbacks in the league."

"I think Mickey has dug himself in on his logic and there's no way to get him out of that thinking right now," the source said. "That's why they are where they are right now."

This, along with Cole saying that the offer is currently between 17-18 million, which is lower than the "highest contract in NFL history" that we heard so much about, is alarming to me. This may have gotten much worse than we think behind the scenes. Brees, IMO, deserves to be paid the top contract, and to have management say no, you are top five, would be galling to him.

 

[marcusj3000]

Some of you guys seem to not be able to remove your feelings from the business side and that's why I love Loomis. Loomis knows that he must field a team not just a star at quarterback. Yep Having a good quarterback is great but if the talent at the other skills positions suffer because of one contract it isn't so hot then.

Got some of you guys running around saying give him what he wants and that is a detriment to the team as a whole. Look at the other GM that say give him what he wants and I bet the teams they have suck monkey balls because of that mentality. The mortgage the team on one player and that is worst odds then what vegas gives.

owning an NFL team is a business first and foremost. The way some of you wear your feelings on your sleeve and have hard owns for a particular player is disgusting. These are millionaires and billionaires fighting over money. You all sucked up that ******** on wanting to retire here, doing so much for the city from some of these players and forget it's all about the money.

You fair weather fans that say you gonna go if the saints don't sign him just leave. I hope the door knob gets slammed in your ***...fake *** wanna be saints fans. Nobody is above this team and that includes drew brees.

 

[vizcaya]

Some of you guys seem to not be able to remove your feelings from the business side and that's why I love Loomis. Loomis knows that he must field a team not just a star at quarterback. Yep Having a good quarterback is great but if the talent at the other skills positions suffer because of one contract it isn't so hot then.

Got some of you guys running around saying give him what he wants and that is a detriment to the team as a whole. Look at the other GM that say give him what he wants and I bet the teams they have suck monkey balls because of that mentality. The mortgage the team on one player and that is worst odds then what vegas gives.

owning an NFL team is a business first and foremost. The way some of you wear your feelings on your sleeve and have hard owns for a particular player is disgusting. These are millionaires and billionaires fighting over money. You all sucked up that ******** on wanting to retire here, doing so much for the city from some of these players and forget it's all about the money.

You fair weather fans that say you gonna go if the saints don't sign him just leave. I hope the door knob gets slammed in your ***...fake *** wanna be saints fans. Nobody is above this team and that includes drew brees.

Looking back at That "Locker Room" speech now, it has become an epic FAIL of sincerity.

 

[staciepete]

Some of you guys seem to not be able to remove your feelings from the business side and that's why I love Loomis. Loomis knows that he must field a team not just a star at quarterback. Yep Having a good quarterback is great but if the talent at the other skills positions suffer because of one contract it isn't so hot then.

Got some of you guys running around saying give him what he wants and that is a detriment to the team as a whole. Look at the other GM that say give him what he wants and I bet the teams they have suck monkey balls because of that mentality. The mortgage the team on one player and that is worst odds then what vegas gives.

owning an NFL team is a business first and foremost. The way some of you wear your feelings on your sleeve and have hard owns for a particular player is disgusting. These are millionaires and billionaires fighting over money. You all sucked up that ******** on wanting to retire here, doing so much for the city from some of these players and forget it's all about the money.

You fair weather fans that say you gonna go if the saints don't sign him just leave. I hope the door knob gets slammed in your ***...fake *** wanna be saints fans. Nobody is above this team and that includes drew brees.

Very well said.

 

[CCL36]

I want the Drew of the speech...for the highest paid salary in the NFL. Honestly "that" Drew would take 19 million a year, and a very cap friendly contract with most of the guaranteed money spread out in signing bonus for 5-7 years (of course knowing he will never see the last couple of years).

I agree with the other posters that feel Drew is not bigger than the team...nor is he the team alone. Drew is valuable with him we could probably parlay some picks and get Barkley. Or we could trade him (Throw in DLP) to the Browns for a 1, Joe Thomas and Alex Mack.

Joe Thomas-Ben Gurbbs-Alex Mack-Jahari Evans-J. Bushrod .. would be a pretty good OL for a long time.


BTW it is an all but crazy stretch to try to stretch the wording to include the franchise tag that San Diego placed on Brees with the present Saints player personnel decisions.

 

[marcusj3000]

Looking back at That "Locker Room" speech now, it has become an epic FAIL of sincerity.

I heard the same things as everyone else but unlike a good deal of the community here is that I thought in my head it's nothing but PR BS. You wait till contract time to see how a person really thinks about a team. If they try to bleed you out of everything they can then you can figure out that person real quick. If they know their value, takes a tad bit more for a bonus and don't try to squeeze you for everything then you know who that person is as well.

Money and power will always show you who a person really is. Never believe the PR speeches and quotes from these guys it is all a show. Public perception is already turning the longer this pans out. If he sits out the season or has a lengthy(which it already is) holdout then his time here has come to and end.

The Vibe in the N.O. is not that the public is rallying around Drew but around the team as a whole. If the season begins without drew then the true fans will rally around the team regardless. We'll let some other team beak the bank thinking that one player makes the difference and we'll have a quality team that is full of quality people.

Drew the way you and Condon have acted is just is stupid. Loomis has indeed drawn the line in the sand. The further they go with the public PR crap approach that line will become a trench, a moat, the red sea , and at last a crater on the dam moon. Then after that Drew Will be traded on out of here or tagged one more year then released.

 

[marcusj3000]

After this latest stunt Loomis is probably at the red sea stage.

 

[Boiler Jim]

Expecting to be paid what you are worth is not a lack of team work. It is not an act of selfishness. What does Drew do with the money he gets, spend it on himself??? Most of you posting on this board must not know, huh?

What percentage of his income goes to charity? What percentage of his time does? How does that compare to you who call him selfish? I bet not one of you is in his league in terms of contribution to his community or to others: Not one of you is probably even close.

As to what Drew is reportedly asking bankrupting the team or destroying the cap space. That is complete, utter, absolute nonsense. It is an absolute miracle that any of you who really believe that are even capable of typing. I stand amazed.

 

[AceTW]

(c) If any Franchise Player does not play in the NFL in a League Year, his
Prior Team shall have the right to designate such player as a Franchise Player or a Transition Player the following League Year, if such designation is otherwise available to the
Team, except that the applicable Tender must be made and any 120% Tender shall be
measured from the Player’s Prior Year Salary. If such a player is redesignated as a Franchise Player for the League Year following the League Year in which he does not play,
the player may be designated only under Section 2(a)(i) above, except that Draft Choice
Compensation of only one first round draft selection and one third round draft selection 52
shall be made with respect to such player in the event he signs with the New Club.

"Section 2(a)(i)" is the Nonexclusive Franchise Tender, Section 2(a)(ii) is the Exclusive Franchise Tender (what is offered to Drew currently for 2012).

Soooo.... If a player gets tagged, sits out and doesn't sign or play, he gets paid nothing, right?

Therefore, the next year he gets tagged again and is due, 120% of nothing?
(Prior year salary=$0.00, 120% tender the next year based upon previous year's salary=$0.00)

 

[Pickens]

This post is not about the meaning or interpretation of the CBA. We as fans form too many opinions based on what some media person reports using "anonymous sources".

Highest paid contrac in NFL history

The Saints offered Brees a long-term contract before the 2011 season that would have made him the highest-paid player in the NFL and Brees and his agent, Tom Condon turned the contract down, a league source told CBSSports.com.

"[General manager Mickey Loomis] offered Brees the highest-paid contract in NFL history," the source said. "Does that not equate with great or elite?"

Very good quarterback

That was the word coming out of the NFL scouting combine this past week, when Saints general manager Mickey Loomis tried to define Brees as “very good” when the quarterback was called “great,” according to three league sources. All three sources were asking Loomis why it was taking so long to sign Brees to a contract extension. Loomis’ answer spoke volumes.

Keep contract in line with top 5

"I don't think the Saints are counting on that situation," a source said of Brees possibly having a $23 million-plus franchise tag. "I think [New Orleans general manager] Mickey Loomis is crunching some much lower numbers than that."

Loomis is also trying to crunch some different logic with his fellow executives. Last week, two executives from other teams said Loomis was saying he intended to keep Brees' contract in line with being "one of the top five quarterbacks in the league."