Jon Stewart's plea for gun control (1 Viewer)

[Get in the Carr]

First you have to break the entitlement mentality to motivate someone to want an education. Its a lot harder then what you say. Why work or go to school when the feds will cut you a check for rent and food and you can hustle all day. Legalize and tax drugs for starts cause no inner city kid wants education to get a 20 buck an hour job when they can make hundreds an hour with no education on the street. Sadly I see this a lot in my hood and my wifes family. Takes awhile for kids to wake up and see the light for most its too late and they are dead or in jail.

I agree. What's sad to me is that people with mental health issues get fed checks too. I know someone who got a "crazy check" as he called it. He didn't use that money wisely i'll just say. If these people were maybe forced into civilized society, they would stop with the entitlement mentality.

 

[RazorOye]

Honestly, I just think it's a typical knee jerk reaction. Most politicans don't really care, they just want to be seen as caring by the voters.

I agree with this.

But also recognize that this 'knee jerk' reaction wasn't restricted to one side or the other. I saw, read, heard plenty of arguments from people on both sides that were trying to capitalize on what was going on or ignoring actual data, statistics, facts, knowledge, etc while pushing forward political agendas.

As with most things that are politically incendiary, knee-jerk reactions don't just belong to one political party/side or the other.

First you have to break the entitlement mentality to motivate someone to want an education. Its a lot harder then what you say. Why work or go to school when the feds will cut you a check for rent and food and you can hustle all day.

There was a study released recently that outlined that 91% of entitlements go to: (a) the elderly, (b) the "severely disabled", and (c) working, able-bodied heads of household.

 

[bclemms]

I realize he's just gonna get dismissed by most people but he pretty much sums up all of my thoughts on the subject.

Since there are about 12k homicides by gun in the US each year do you also feel we need better alcohol reform such as limiting the amount of alcohol that can be purchased, background checks before people can purchase alcohol and limiting the alcohol by volume since 75,000 people a year are in alcohol related deaths and about 17 million people in the US are alcoholics?

You see, if it doesn't make sense for something else it pretty much just doesn't make sense.

To put the number of alcohol related deaths compared to the number of murders by gun in perspective....

If we had 6 Sandy Hook shootings every single day in the US on top of all the other shootings annually we would still have more alcohol related deaths than gun homicides.

 

[jrdbrn]

I am firm on my stance that I feel the media is the majority of blame for these shootings. These loonies want to be "an hero" as they call it. They hate life and want to be remembered.

 

[DesertKajun]

I agree with this.

But also recognize that this 'knee jerk' reaction wasn't restricted to one side or the other. I saw, read, heard plenty of arguments from people on both sides that were trying to capitalize on what was going on or ignoring actual data, statistics, facts, knowledge, etc while pushing forward political agendas.

As with most things that are politically incendiary, knee-jerk reactions don't just belong to one political party/side or the other.



There was a study released recently that outlined that 91% of entitlements go to: (a) the elderly, (b) the "severely disabled", and (c) working, able-bodied heads of household.

Oye, do you really believe that?

Maybe all the people that don't work don't really get any welfare. Maybe they all turn tricks I guess.

Why is the left so hell bent on hiding entitlements to people that don't work and have babies to get more money. I have no issues with helping a working person that just cant make ends meet for some reason. Or a retired person that put in their time. Or giving a bridge from one job to another with unemployment for a few months. If they work we will help them, the only welfare other then that I support is free day care so they can get jobs and that will come with the price of a drug test and birth control shot so more kids wont need day care. I rather that all day then the people that don't work and get Section 8 and food stamps and check for every kid they birth. The insanity of money for nothing has to stop somewhere.

Compassion with common sense needs to be the test we use. Help the poor single mom that lost her husband and cant support her kids without his income, call the adoption agency for the mom with 15 kids from 8 different guys and wants a hand out.....

 

[seandroog]

Since there are about 12k homicides by gun in the US each year do you also feel we need better alcohol reform such as limiting the amount of alcohol that can be purchased, background checks before people can purchase alcohol and limiting the alcohol by volume since 75,000 people a year are in alcohol related deaths and about 17 million people in the US are alcoholics?

You see, if it doesn't make sense for something else it pretty much just doesn't make sense.

To put the number of alcohol related deaths compared to the number of murders by gun in perspective....

If we had 6 Sandy Hook shootings every single day in the US on top of all the other shootings annually we would still have more alcohol related deaths than gun homicides.

I care first about protecting citizens from other citizens. I've never really been for laws that protect people from themselves. All the deaths related to falling or liver disease relate to people hurting themselves.

In regards to the homicides commited under the influence of drugs or alcohol, if someone is going to commit a homicide they have a lower chance of harming more people with a revolver than they do with a semi automatic rifle.

People who want to regulate guns aren't saying there aren't other issues that could also help, but we can't take every option off the table if we want things to get better.

 

[RazorOye]

Oye, do you really believe that?

Did you read the article? I would think a disagreement you would have would be on the parameters they established for what constitutes "entitlements"

I do believe that what you think is plaguing the system is not plaguing the system.

I do believe that on this issue, like others you've posted on, you aren't taking any time to scratch any deeper than a superficial selectivity that comports with your political agenda. I know you've done it with various educational issues. And even when people post something informed that contradicts what you believe, you just dismiss it.

You're doing it here by asking whether or not I believe that the 91% is accurate.

It is, I think. But you have to accept the criteria upon which they are basing the number.

Maybe all the people that don't work don't really get any welfare. Maybe they all turn tricks I guess.

so if the 91% number doesn't apply to the people you know, it means it doesn't apply to the hundreds of millions you don't?

What you are doing is overstating the anecdotal. If you want to say, "Well that 91% doesn't seem to vibe with the people I know" that's one thing. It's another to say, "Well, that number has to be wrong because it doesn't apply to the few people I know."

Why is the left so hell bent on hiding entitlements to people that don't work and have babies to get more money.

Hiding entitlements?

Did you even read up on the study?

If anything, they are applying the definition of "entitlements" to broadly, not too narrowly. What are they hiding? What specific forms of entitlement are they hiding?

Was the study done by "the left"?

You're caught up in 1980s rhetoric about 'welfare moms.' I think that's where you are cognitively stuck.

In many of your posts, you seem to ignore present day realities and statistics. For example, school violence is down. Teen pregnancy is down. Teen volunteerism is up. School shootings are down. Youth violent crime is down. The welfare queen isn't eating up our entitlement budget.

That's what I believe.

 

[Hercule]

Oye, do you really believe that?

Maybe all the people that don't work don't really get any welfare. Maybe they all turn tricks I guess.

Why is the left so hell bent on hiding entitlements to people that don't work and have babies to get more money. I have no issues with helping a working person that just cant make ends meet for some reason. Or a retired person that put in their time. Or giving a bridge from one job to another with unemployment for a few months. If they work we will help them, the only welfare other then that I support is free day care so they can get jobs and that will come with the price of a drug test and birth control shot so more kids wont need day care. I rather that all day then the people that don't work and get Section 8 and food stamps and check for every kid they birth. The insanity of money for nothing has to stop somewhere.

Compassion with common sense needs to be the test we use. Help the poor single mom that lost her husband and cant support her kids without his income, call the adoption agency for the mom with 15 kids from 8 different guys and wants a hand out.....

Do you have any statistics that show most people getting entitlements are just lazy and want a handout?

 

[bclemms]

I care first about protecting citizens from other citizens. I've never really been for laws that protect people from themselves. All the deaths related to falling or liver disease relate to people hurting themselves.

Tell that to the 5 kids and parent that were killed here last week
Questions surround fatal crash in Neshoba County that killed 6 - MSNewsNow.com - Jackson, MS

13000 people a year are killed by drunk drivers alone, still more than gun killings.

20 children were killed in the Sandy Hook shooting. The fact that they were children is what put everyone over the edge.
1400 children under the age of 14 die every year in drunk driving accidents.

Alcohol is still a bigger killer of sober americans and children than guns.


There are 310 million people in the US. Each year 12000 people are shot and killed. That is 1 in every 26,000 people. If you don't own a firearm that number goes down 50% to 1 in every 52,000 people. If you aren't in a gang or dealing drugs that number drops again to less than 1:100,000. In other words, 3000 people a year who don't own firearms and don't participate in a gang are murdered with a gun. 3,000 people a DAY die from car accidents. 3000 people a year die from food poisoning. Medical mistakes kill about 200,000 a year.

 

[saintsfan84]

I care first about protecting citizens from other citizens. I've never really been for laws that protect people from themselves. All the deaths related to falling or liver disease relate to people hurting themselves.

In regards to the homicides commited under the influence of drugs or alcohol, if someone is going to commit a homicide they have a lower chance of harming more people with a revolver than they do with a semi automatic rifle.

People who want to regulate guns aren't saying there aren't other issues that could also help, but we can't take every option off the table if we want things to get better.

Substance abuse hurts more than just the person using. I agree though with your view on laws protecting people from themselves, just commenting that it's not always limited to just the user.

I believe it's partly because we're a more violent culture We were founded on violence, we are constantly at war. Entertainment is littered with violence. People that are willing to go to a school and murder little children won't be stopped by the fact that they can't go to Academy and legally buy a semi-automatic weapon.

The thing that makes me the most nervous (in terms of gun control) is we have some far out things being mentioned. I feel it's more to 'see what sticks' than to actually work toward a solution.

There are gentlemen with gun rooms that have safe doors leading in to protect their guns/investment. There are young people with one or two guns. These are the people who will be affected new legislation that may target them unfairly.

There are people you'd wouldn't suspect (or maybe you would) who deal arms. They're going to sell to whoever comes to them.

 

[V Chip]

Since there are about 12k homicides by gun in the US each year do you also feel we need better alcohol reform such as limiting the amount of alcohol that can be purchased, background checks before people can purchase alcohol and limiting the alcohol by volume since 75,000 people a year are in alcohol related deaths and about 17 million people in the US are alcoholics?

You see, if it doesn't make sense for something else it pretty much just doesn't make sense.

To put the number of alcohol related deaths compared to the number of murders by gun in perspective....

If we had 6 Sandy Hook shootings every single day in the US on top of all the other shootings annually we would still have more alcohol related deaths than gun homicides.

I don't understand this "death competition" line of reasoning. So we shouldn't tackle anything except the number one cause of death in America? And once that drops to #2, cut all of the things that got it to number 2 to focus back on the new number one?

Hey you cancer victims, since we have more heart disease deaths in the country, we're not going to do anything else towards lowering the number of cancer deaths or cancer cases until we can get heart disease down to #2. Then we'll open back up the Cancer research labs again.

 

[Bleu Raeder]

...
Mass shootings are accelerating.

No. They are not.

Opinion: The Rise and Decline of Mass Shootings

But the fact is that, while mass public shootings always tend to galvanize massive media coverage, they are becoming increasingly less common, falling sharply in the last decade compared with the previous two. And understanding this decline is important to helping prevent future mass shootings.

...

Highly publicized shootings often renew the call to either loosen or tighten gun laws, but the availability of guns doesn't appear to be much of a factor. Right-to-carry concealed firearms laws do not have a significant impact on mass public shootings, according to a peer-reviewed study I co-authored with Tom Kovandzic and Carl Moody. And rates of gun ownership remained relatively constant in the last several decades of the 20th century, when mass public shootings were on the rise.

Emphasis added by me.

 

[Soundwave]

I totally agree with what Stewart said in the video. There should be some more restrictions on guns and ownership. Just make sure not to over-reach on it. It annoys me that some people really think the government is going to come and take all their guns.

This is written by a person who tried to buy a Glock on Monday. They were sold out.

 

[jasonj]

Oh look another gun thread!

This is pointless.

Gun people gonna gun.

Anti-gun people gonna anti-gun.

We will always be allowed to own some sort of gun in this country. Maybe a few token "assault rifles" get banned. Maybe more paperwork before you buy a gun. Neither extreme scenario (no guns at all/grenade launchers sold at wal-mart) will ever happen. Life will go on either way.

 

[FLIPPY]

He should make a plea for crazy people control......