Lord of the Flies Remake Backlash (7 Viewers)

[guidomerkinsrules]

i'd completely forgotten that my HS Term Paper was on Simon as Christ FIgure

I wonder, from a semiotics point of view, what happens when it's girls wielding penises like a bunch of barbaric hunters.

we've seen hints of this

 

[Sun Wukong]

Middle school teacher here. The notion that it couldn't or wouldn't happen with females is nonsense, but it WOULD be very different. In many cases our girls treat other significantly worse than the boys do. Boys are more likely to *immediately* resort to fighting over something, but girls are significantly more likely to lie, manipulate social situations, exclude, shame, and just do generally underhanded devious **** to each other than boys in a slow burn fashion. The things our female students do to each other are often of the "Holy crap, that's almost sociopathic" variety whereas with boys it's generally an immediate jump to fists.

This narrative that women are wise and conflict free and whatever is just about the biggest load of social ******** being shoveled in the 21st century. They're *******s just like everyone else.

 

[RazorOye]

This narrative that women are wise and conflict three

Women can be wise and conflict free.

I don't think anyone who has spent any time around women/girls would categorize wisdom and pacificity as an essentialized default.

The nastiest fight I'd ever seen at a school, in my years of teaching, was between two girls at Capitol High in Baton Rouge.

It was positively savage.

 

[RazorOye]

i'd completely forgotten that my HS Term Paper was on Simon as Christ FIgure

yea, one of my biggest gripes is that the symbolism and iconography is too heavy handed, but that makes it ideal for 9th/10th grade.

 

[BlueRaspberry]

It would just be 'Mean Girls' on an island.

 

[Booker]

It would just be 'Mean Girls' on an island.

Exactly what I was going to say!

 

[Sun Wukong]

It would just be 'Mean Girls' on an island.

Mean Girls is a significantly watered down and overly humorous take on what it's really like. It hits the notes, but isn't an accurate representation of the depth and breadth of what girls are capable of doing to each other. I would much, much rather deal with two boys trying to beat the hell out of each other than some of the stuff we have to deal with as far as girls go. I've seen guys knock the living **** out of each other and be on fine talking terms again a week later. With girls...it's longer lasting, sadder, and often far more heartbreaking in its cruelty.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Middle school teacher here. The notion that it couldn't or wouldn't happen with females is nonsense, but it WOULD be very different. In many cases our girls treat other significantly worse than the boys do. Boys are more likely to *immediately* resort to fighting over something, but girls are significantly more likely to lie, manipulate social situations, exclude, shame, and just do generally underhanded devious **** to each other than boys in a slow burn fashion. The things our female students do to each other are often of the "Holy crap, that's almost sociopathic" variety whereas with boys it's generally an immediate jump to fists.

This narrative that women are wise and conflict free and whatever is just about the biggest load of social ******** being shoveled in the 21st century. They're *******s just like everyone else.

agreed on all points
HOWEVER
just as most sentient beings understand that white privilege & hetero-normative & christian-normative & wealth-normative systems all exist and exert undue pressures on those subcultures outside of the norm - Patriarchy would have to be considered a contributing factor to girl v girl dynamic (ie maybe they're not mal-adaptive socially, maybe they're hyper-adaptive - kinda like the mafia in Little Italy)

 

[blackadder]

Interesting - I'm not seeing why it wouldn't work with an all girl cast
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There is to be a new Lord of The Flies film with a twist - all the people stranded on the island will be female.

The adaptation of*William Golding’s 1954 novel has faced backlash on social media as critics have accused it of "missing the point".................

Feminist writer Roxane Gay commented that "the plot of that book wouldn't happen with all women".

In the book, boys stranded on a desert island try to create order and peace while they wait to be rescued, but they eventually turn to violence and murder.

Some have said the book is about "toxic masculinity" and therefore would not make sense with a female cast.

One critic wrote: "The female-led Lord of the Flies wouldn't ever happen because women would just branch off into their own respective groups peacefully"..........................

All-female Lord of The Flies remake faces backlash as it 'misses the point' and 'women wouldn't act like that'

The book was really about human nature.

It featured boys, but I think the intent was immutable human nature. And the deluded feminist is wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJ9tlVQ6cs

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

The book was really about human nature.

It featured boys, but I think the intent was immutable human nature. And the deluded feminist is wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJ9tlVQ6cs

Says a boy

 

[BlueRaspberry]

 

[SystemShock]

"The female-led Lord of the Flies wouldn't ever happen because women would just branch off into their own respective groups peacefully"

<img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cigfticSRYw/maxresdefault.jpg" width="600 or less"/>

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

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[tenordas]

With girls...it's longer lasting, sadder, and often far more heartbreaking in its cruelty.

Completely agree, which is why I don't think LoF with girls would work at all. In point of fact, the whole story would need to be rewritten to reflect that more slow burn, manipulative, scheming, vindictive type of conflict that would develop rather than the reactive pissing contest that causes Jack's violence to erupt. "Jackie" would have gone about overthrowing "Rachel" very differently than Jack's way of overthrowing Ralph.

I'd be happy to see a film that actually re-imagines the whole scenario from that type of awful feminine hatred rather than simply plug girls into the narrative and pretend they would act the same way the boys in the story do.

 

[RazorOye]