N/S (kinda) Vinovich doing Payton’s Broncos playoff game

[RJ in Lafayette]

King, thanks for your comments. Watching the game in the Superdome, I was not upset at the time that a penalty was not called on the hit on Brees. I just watched the video of the play and then the replay. If there was a penalty, it was borderline. When you watch the sideline view, it appears there was some contact but again borderline. When you watch the replay from an endzone camera, it appears the Ram defender hit Brees in the shoulder. There was no commentary by Aikman and Buck that Brees had been hit in the head and that the officials had missed a penalty.

I could not find video of the pass interference against the Rams in overtime, but in real time in the Superdome I thought it was borderline and a make-up call. Again, the officials were letting them play. When your team is hit with only three penalties for 20 yards, it is hard to say the officiating was intentionally rigged against your time.

In the last two minutes, we allowed the Rams to score. In overtime, we turned the ball over on the first possession and allowed the Rams to score, albeit on a 57-yard field goal.

On a personal note, I find the frequent talk of conspiracies maddening. On a serious note, it has been said when that something bad happens, people can ask one of two questions, The first is what did we do wrong. The second is who did this to us. Asking the first question leads to putting things right. Asking the second question leads to conspiracy talk. Too often, we on this forum and in our region ask the second question. (the two-question observation comes from Bernard Lewis, discussed in a book titled Culture Makes Almost All the Difference).

 

[Winter]

Every team gets bad calls.
But believing there is some grand conspiracy against just one franchise? When that franchise was one of the most marketed franchises during the Payton/Brees run?
When that franchise kept bringing in high ratings during that run?
That’s a little much.

I think a lot of that is out of the league's control. The Saints we're good and generally favored by national audiences. I also bet there's some kind of formula to determine prime time games based on previous year's results. The Saints being 13-3, you can't not put them in primetime especially when the team is still there and poised to compete for a ship again. That being said, when it comes down to either-or calls, that is where the league can decide in favor of one team over another. They can't stop the Saints from being good, but they can manipulate games enough to give the teams they want an advantage. 2018 prime example. They could've met and made the call but instead they acted like nothing happened. PI is still a major problem in the league and they have no agenda to fix it even though they "tried" to. PI and holding are the two most powerful tools for the league to influence games.

 

[2009ring]

King, thanks for your comments. Watching the game in the Superdome, I was not upset at the time that a penalty was not called on the hit on Brees. I just watched the video of the play and then the replay. If there was a penalty, it was borderline. When you watch the sideline view, it appears there was some contact but again borderline. When you watch the replay from an endzone camera, it appears the Ram defender hit Brees in the shoulder. There was no commentary by Aikman and Buck that Brees had been hit in the head and that the officials had missed a penalty.

I could not find video of the pass interference against the Rams in overtime, but in real time in the Superdome I thought it was borderline and a make-up call. Again, the officials were letting them play. When your team is hit with only three penalties for 20 yards, it is hard to say the officiating was intentionally rigged against your time.

In the last two minutes, we allowed the Rams to score. In overtime, we turned the ball over on the first possession and allowed the Rams to score, albeit on a 57-yard field goal.

On a personal note, I find the frequent talk of conspiracies maddening. On a serious note, it has been said when that something bad happens, people can ask one of two questions, The first is what did we do wrong. The second is who did this to us. Asking the first question leads to putting things right. Asking the second question leads to conspiracy talk. Too often, we on this forum and in our region ask the second question. (the two-question observation comes from Bernard Lewis, discussed in a book titled Culture Makes Almost All the Difference).

Hard to find good angles of this play (shocker), but you can clearly see Folwer does not hit Brees in the shoulder here it's in the head.

 

[kcirdor]

Bias is a disproportionate weight in favor of or a thing, usually in a way that is unfair.

A conspiracy is a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

Only one person is trying to pigeonhole Sean Payton's comments on the Biases towards the Saints as conspiracy.