Observations from a brief All-22 study (1 Viewer)

[Rouxble]

An example of a serious missed opportunity. We FINALLY call something that can exploit their defense, and Carr rushes the check down (ball out in literally under 2 seconds) despite a reasonable pocket to step into. Big hole in the middle of the field that Mike is breaking into. He only needed another second at most - step up a little bit and deliver a strike down the middle of the field to the most sure handed receiver this team has ever had. Is it the cleanest looking pocket ever? No, but it's more than fine for him to step up and deliver a strike.

There's no point in occupying the left side of the field with Olave and Graham running vertical routes if we're not going to abuse the middle and take the touchdown to Mike. I don't want to hear anything about Carr having happy feet because of pressure thus far throughout the season. For as many sacks as he's taken from our O-line getting abused, he's taken just as many because he's eyes are too far down the field.

But again, this isn't all on Carr. This is literally one play I can provide where we even had a chance to attack this defense. Our gameplan and our coaching are doing next to nothing in terms of helping him succeed.

I would actually be more upset about the decision to run this play than what Carr did. Where are the audibles? This is basically four verticals against cover 4. It's an unbelievably low percentage play. That safety was going to be all over MT because he has no responsibility for Olave.

Look at how deep the defenders are pre snap, this play has no shot, and the defenders can easily rally to the football since they are all facing the QB.


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[Consigliere]

I I don't know what Tampa has shown this season in terms of defense, but if they caught you off guard and Cover 2 isn't what you were expecting -

 

[BreesusSaves]

I would actually be more upset about the decision to run this play than what Carr did. Where are the audibles? This is basically four verticals against cover 4. It's an unbelievably low percentage play. That safety was going to be all over MT because he has no responsibility for Olave.

Look at how deep the defenders are pre snap, this play has no shot, and the defenders can easily rally to the football since they are all facing the QB.


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The funniest thing about this play was Shaheed was going to be open to the outside.

Even when the opportunity is there, this offense misses it.

 

[Rouxble]

The funniest thing about this play was Shaheed was going to be open to the outside.

Even when the opportunity is there, this offense misses it.

I believe he only stops dropping back because he sees Carr turn to throw, he puts his foot in the ground and drives forward to go after the ball. You can see here Carr is midway through his throwing motion and Shaheed hasn’t gotten past him.



I still don’t understand what Carr saw pre-snap, both those receivers are essentially doubled and the DB’s were too far back to turn and run with the receivers before the ball gets thrown to Kamara (if that was the plan).

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

I believe he only stops dropping back because he sees Carr turn to throw, he puts his foot in the ground and drives forward to go after the ball. You can see here Carr is midway through his throwing motion and Shaheed hasn’t gotten past him.



I still don’t understand what Carr saw pre-snap, both those receivers are essentially doubled and the DB’s were too far back to turn and run with the receivers before the ball gets thrown to Kamara (if that was the plan).

This is my 2nd favorite play of the game....behind Jameis' IDGAFF ball. AK is like, why am I here right now? Is this what they wanted me to do?...his body language here says it all

 

[Rouxble]

This is my 2nd favorite play of the game....behind Jameis' IDGAFF ball. AK is like, why am I here right now...his body language here says it all

He probably read the coverage better than Carr. He knew the ball was coming to him, and multiple defenders would be in his face before he could start running upfield.

That‘s how you end up with 33 receiving yards with 60 YAC.

 

[webster]

I just spent about an hour sifting through the all-22 from Sundays game, mostly because I wanted to see what we had Kamara running in the passing game in traditional dropback sets.

I've obviously been vocal about utilizing Kamara more on the choice route versus man coverage.. and honestly, Tampa ran a lot of Cover 2. There were next to no opportunities to take advantage of Kamara in man coverage. Outside of designed screens, it was mostly flares and routes to the flat, with one stick route coming out of a slot type position.

The bigger issue here, is that for the entire game we continued to try and bang our heads into the strength of Cover 2 with a lot of horizontal routes without challenging the middle of the field vertically. Tampa didn't really change anything throughout the game. The middle of the field was wide open all game and we didn't attack it. Next to no seam routes even run, let alone thrown to. When we took deep shots, it was easy reads for these safeties because they didn't have any sort of choice to make.

It's not like this is rocket science. It's well known that the seams are how you exploit Cover 2. And with corners having to respect the flats with Kamara being so dangerous, it can open up the sidelines for big plays too so as long as you even have a threat in the middle of the field and force the safety to play a side. But these safeties didn't even have to think. And if the MLB runs with the seam, you take the lower read with room for yards after the catch. I don't want to hear anything about the unexpected Juwan injury either. Graham, while he isn't what he used to be, he knows more than anyone how to attack a seam. Mike has done it and can do it. Taysom could have posed a threat.

It's honestly just amateur hour at best. So while I hear everyone in that the season isn't lost, we're 2-2, getting healthy.. Yeah, that's cool, but we're still very much blind at the wheel. I don't know what Tampa has shown this season in terms of defense, but if they caught you off guard and Cover 2 isn't what you were expecting - then it's really easy to adjust. If they've shown a lot of Cover 2 this season and this was the plan to attack it, then we're in even bigger trouble. This level of incompetence is absolutely wild.

I know PC is calling the plays but does DC have authority to change and call plays he thinks will be effective against the defense he sees.

 

[BreesusSaves]

I believe he only stops dropping back because he sees Carr turn to throw, he puts his foot in the ground and drives forward to go after the ball. You can see here Carr is midway through his throwing motion and Shaheed hasn’t gotten past him.



I still don’t understand what Carr saw pre-snap, both those receivers are essentially doubled and the DB’s were too far back to turn and run with the receivers before the ball gets thrown to Kamara (if that was the plan).

It is the eyes, hips, and legs of the CB (#25?) when you watch the play.

Shaheed is running at a full sprint on a go. The corner's (#25?) eyes are on Carr the whole time and #24's assignment is the zone Kamara is in. #24 is also watching Carr's eyes but he is in his zone to defend so he's not leaving it.

If Carr throws to where Shaheed will be or leads Shaheed to the location with the throw, #25? would have to flip his hips, turn and find Shaheed, and run with an already full speed Shaheed. The best case scenario for #25 is that he has just enough quickness to recover and protect the inside, but he's toast if the ball goes where it is supposed to go between Shaheed and the sideline. Even if the Safety doesn't pickup Thomas and goes to Shaheed, the outside shoulder/area is still open.

This is just one of those things that made Brees special. He was able to identify these things and throw the ball before the receiver ever looked open. He'd see the body language and know with the play called, all he has to do is throw a catchable ball between Shaheed and the sidelines and its either first and goal inside the 5 or a touchdown.

 

[Rouxble]

It is the eyes, hips, and legs of the CB (#25?) when you watch the play.

Shaheed is running at a full sprint on a go. The corner's (#25?) eyes are on Carr the whole time and #24's assignment is the zone Kamara is in. #24 is also watching Carr's eyes but he is in his zone to defend so he's not leaving it.

If Carr throws to where Shaheed will be or leads Shaheed to the location with the throw, #25? would have to flip his hips, turn and find Shaheed, and run with an already full speed Shaheed. The best case scenario for #25 is that he has just enough quickness to recover and protect the inside, but he's toast if the ball goes where it is supposed to go between Shaheed and the sideline. Even if the Safety doesn't pickup Thomas and goes to Shaheed, the outside shoulder/area is still open.

This is just one of those things that made Brees special. He was able to identify these things and throw the ball before the receiver ever looked open. He'd see the body language and know with the play called, all he has to do is throw a catchable ball between Shaheed and the sidelines and its either first and goal inside the 5 or a touchdown.

If we were further away from the end zone maybe I could agree. Shaheed is slowing down already when he looks back for the ball because four verticals is often thrown on a line.

If he adjusted his route and stayed full speed ahead, Carr would need to lob it over the two defenders, and on the short field the DB’s have time to recover because Shaheed will likely need to slow down. There is also safety help there, the board would be asking why Carr threw into triple coverage.

On the big throw to Shaheed in week one, Shaheed ran nearly 30 yards from when Carr decided to throw, and the safety was too far away to influence the play. He also had all the open field he needed to keep running full speed ahead.

 

[Noble Saint]

An example of a serious missed opportunity. We FINALLY call something that can exploit their defense, and Carr rushes the check down (ball out in literally under 2 seconds) despite a reasonable pocket to step into. Big hole in the middle of the field that Mike is breaking into. He only needed another second at most - step up a little bit and deliver a strike down the middle of the field to the most sure handed receiver this team has ever had. Is it the cleanest looking pocket ever? No, but it's more than fine for him to step up and deliver a strike.

There's no point in occupying the left side of the field with Olave and Graham running vertical routes if we're not going to abuse the middle and take the touchdown to Mike. I don't want to hear anything about Carr having happy feet because of pressure thus far throughout the season. For as many sacks as he's taken from our O-line getting abused, he's taken just as many because he's eyes are too far down the field.

But again, this isn't all on Carr. This is literally one play I can provide where we even had a chance to attack this defense. Our gameplan and our coaching are doing next to nothing in terms of helping him succeed.

Just a screenshot, but you say Carr had the ball out in less than two seconds. You also said we didn’t attack their primary cover 2 the way we should. If you have 7 defenders over 10 yards deep in well under 2 seconds, that isn’t a cover 2. This is a cover 4 and the reason the middle is wide open is because they have no reason to cover. They have defenders ready if it’s threatened. I admire your study but this may have looked like cover 2 pre snap but it’s not at all. I see nothing wrong checking down here. What I wish they would do is throw to Kamara on option and in routes. At least 3 or 4 times if he is going to have over a dozen targets. They cover that then things open up over the top.


what we need in that screen shot is Kamara short across the middle drawing one of the inside defenders and a slot digging if the defender bites. 2 on 1. Where that red circle is drawn is falling for the bait, imo. Both safeties just waiting for it. They have no outside responsibility cause corners aren‘t covering the flats. They are going as deep as the outside threat.

 

[Nolan]

Just a screenshot, but you say Carr had the ball out in less than two seconds. You also said we didn’t attack their primary cover 2 the way we should. If you have 7 defenders over 10 yards deep in well under 2 seconds, that isn’t a cover 2. This is a cover 4 and the reason the middle is wide open is because they have no reason to cover. They have defenders ready if it’s threatened. I admire your study but this may have looked like cover 2 pre snap but it’s not at all. I see nothing wrong checking down here. What I wish they would do is throw to Kamara on option and in routes. At least 3 or 4 times if he is going to have over a dozen targets. They cover that then things open up over the top.


what we need in that screen shot is Kamara short across the middle drawing one of the inside defenders and a slot digging if the defender bites. 2 on 1. Where that red circle is drawn is falling for the bait, imo. Both safeties just waiting for it. They have no outside responsibility cause corners aren‘t covering the flats. They are going as deep as the outside threat.

I realized it's a Cover 4 look later in the thread, they played mostly Cover 2 and Cover 4 with an occasional Cover 3 look, they seldom if at all went into man.

Mike is definitely looking for that ball in the void but I realize now White is just going to continue his drop since he's watching Carr. Like Rouxble said, this actually should have been checked out of with how far back the corners were playing.

I do agree, if we're going to call 4 verts from empty sets we should at least create a high/low concept and make White have to choose. Kamara could have run a simple drag and if White continues his drop then throw it underneath and he'll have a little room. At the very least it's taking 5-6 yards as opposed to because we're getting it to him in stride with a little room as opposed to him having 2 defenders swarming to him as he catches it standing still behind the LOS.

Regardless, we didn't challenge the middle of the field the entire game regardless of whether it was a cover 2 or cover 4 look. I find the Kamara option routes to be advantageous particularly if they're in man, but there needs to be a seam threat if it's going to be effective versus some of these zone looks that we're getting.